The Amazing Spider-Man What villain or villains would you like to see them kick start the reboot with?

[Caveboy0]

spectacular spiderman had a really innovative idea that jacobed just mentioned.

i'd love it if they use it in the film. it could be a big reveal in the second movie essentially saying that spiderman is just playing the game. he isn't making a real difference.

 

[BobJM]

some villains are just villains. not everything needs to be spoonfed. that's why ock and sandman were let downs to a degree... raimi added too much sympathy to them. Ock's should only be that he's an ego maniac, and sandman is simply just a thug with powers who made the wrong choices in life, they don't need kids, wives, or that much sympathy

I can agree with the Sandman in there, but Doc Ock was one of my favorite CBM villains ever.

 

[Grayson]

some villains are just villains. not everything needs to be spoonfed. that's why ock and sandman were let downs to a degree... raimi added too much sympathy to them. Ock's should only be that he's an ego maniac, and sandman is simply just a thug with powers who made the wrong choices in life, they don't need kids, wives, or that much sympathy

You have a point with Sandman, but not Doc Ock.
Up until Heath Ledger's Joker, that was the best Superhero Film villain.

 

[©KAW]

Was he even a villain? The guy killed himself to saved the city. Heath's Joker shouldn't even be mention in the same sentence as any of Raimi's so-called villains.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Was he even a villain? The guy killed himself to saved the city. Heath's Joker shouldn't even be mention in the same sentence as any of Raimi's so-called villains.

Kaw... i have been waiting to see your opinions now that actual stuff is coming in about the reboot, but now I discover that all this time you have just been stockpiling, or pantpiling, all your old stinky pants so you can continue to throw them at the Raimi films!
Doc Ock is a much loved sv from the movies, yes, he did a good deed at the end, but...let it go lad, go over to the reboot thread and get stuck in with your opinions, you have only said a couple of things, it's almost as if you are afraid to say anything aboot the reboot.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

Ock was a major improvement in the films. The ego was still there, but it was downplayed by the sympathetic angle...which was a great move. Yes, the villainous dialogue and evil actions were great, but imagine, for example, his first scene after the hospital escape without the 'good guy' Ock. You lose the regret and the inner conflict. It even serves to amplify his more egotistical moments. 'The Parker boy was right. I miscalculated...but I CAN'T have miscalculated! It was working, wasn't it?!' Remove that, and imo, you've just got another mad scientist. The arc is what made him one of the best superhero movie villains.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, the villainous dialogue and evil actions were great, but imagine, for example, his first scene after the hospital escape without the 'good guy' Ock. You lose the regret and the inner conflict.

Ock shouldn't have any inner conflicts like that. He's not a character that wrestles with his conscience. Imagining the hospital scene with a Doc Ock who awakens and mercilessly slaughters all the nurses and doctors for trying to cut off his precious mechanical arms makes the inner fanboy in me jump with glee.

I'd love to have seen that kind of Doc Ock on screen, and that's coming from someone who loves Molina's Doc Ock. But great as he was, he wasn't an improvement on the comic book character. The only villain Raimi made any kind of improvement on character wise, is the one he gets the most criticism for: Venom. In the comics Venom's motives for hating Spider-Man were piss weak. Movie Brock actually had some real reasons to hate him.

 

[Venom75]

I was really never a fan of Doc Ock,untill I saw Spider-man 2. But comics wise,I never really got into the character. I also loved SSM's version,although he was a bit weak willed in the beginning.

 

[The Joker]

SSM nailed his character. It nailed most of the villains.

 

[Venom75]

SSM nailed his character. It nailed most of the villains.

In total agreement,Joker. God,I miss that series. I would've liked to have seen what was in store for season 3,and get looks at villains like Scorpion,Hobgoblin and Carnage.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

In total agreement,Joker. God,I miss that series. I would've liked to have seen what was in store for season 3,and get looks at villains like Scorpion,Hobgoblin and Carnage.

I really really hope that this reboot will make up for the loss of the third SSM season

 

[Oscorp]

Ock shouldn't have any inner conflicts like that. He's not a character that wrestles with his conscience. Imagining the hospital scene with a Doc Ock who awakens and mercilessly slaughters all the nurses and doctors for trying to cut off his precious mechanical arms makes the inner fanboy in me jump with glee.

I'd love to have seen that kind of Doc Ock on screen, and that's coming from someone who loves Molina's Doc Ock. But great as he was, he wasn't an improvement on the comic book character. The only villain Raimi made any kind of improvement on character wise, is the one he gets the most criticism for: Venom. In the comics Venom's motives for hating Spider-Man were piss weak. Movie Brock actually had some real reasons to hate him.

Great post!

 

[Venom'sDad]

Ock shouldn't have any inner conflicts like that. He's not a character that wrestles with his conscience. Imagining the hospital scene with a Doc Ock who awakens and mercilessly slaughters all the nurses and doctors for trying to cut off his precious mechanical arms makes the inner fanboy in me jump with glee.

I'd love to have seen that kind of Doc Ock on screen, and that's coming from someone who loves Molina's Doc Ock. But great as he was, he wasn't an improvement on the comic book character. The only villain Raimi made any kind of improvement on character wise, is the one he gets the most criticism for: Venom. In the comics Venom's motives for hating Spider-Man were piss weak. Movie Brock actually had some real reasons to hate him.

Hmm, Raimi did not improve on the character Venom... nor Brock. He provided us with the same weak characterization and foundation of the comic. My profound hope in SM3 was that Raimi would reinvent the character Eddie Brock and bring back the nastiness of Venom. Neither happen, and Venom's characterization remains as weak as it every was.

 

[The Joker]

Hmm, Raimi did not improve on the character Venom... nor Brock. He provided us with the same weak characterization and foundation of the comic. My profound hope in SM3 was that Raimi would reinvent the character Eddie Brock and bring back the nastiness of Venom. Neither happen, and Venom's characterization remains as weak as it every was.

How can you call it the same? Brock and Spidey never even met in the comics prior to him becoming Venom. The only reason Brock hated Spider-Man is because he caught the serial killer, Sin-Eater, which proved the news story he published was false, and he got fired. So he basically hated Spider-Man for catching a killer.

In SM-3, Peter and Brock actually knew each other, and Peter went out of his way to ruin Brock. He exposed his fraud, humiliated him, got him fired, and dated the girl Brock was infatuated with. Much better than what the comics conjured up.

 

[Venom'sDad]

How can you call it the same? Brock and Spidey never even met in the comics prior to him becoming Venom. The only reason Brock hated Spider-Man is because he caught the serial killer, Sin-Eater, which proved the news story he published was false, and he got fired. So he basically hated Spider-Man for catching a killer.

In SM-3, Peter and Brock actually knew each other, and Peter went out of his way to ruin Brock. He exposed his fraud, humiliated him, got him fired, and dated the girl Brock was infatuated with. Much better than what the comics conjured up.

You know, I thought you was better than that. Disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable. Yes, comic book and SM3, different story, same characterization an lack of foundation. You know what I speak, and was not speaking in behalf of the story differences. But the whole hearted essence of the character itself. There my friend, is no difference... certainly, no improvement.

 

[The Joker]

You know, I thought you was better than that. Disagreeing for the sake of being disagreeable.

If that's what you think I'm doing then you don't know me at all. I've been saying that about Venom since Spider-Man 3 came out in 2007.

Yes, comic book and SM3, different story, same characterization an lack of foundation. You know what I speak, and was not speaking in behalf of the story differences. But the whole hearted essence of the character itself. There my friend, is no difference... certainly, no improvement.

If you really believe that, then there is nothing more to say to you. Your mind is made up, despite the fact of the matter being that Venom has a stronger motive to hate Spidey in the movie than the comic books ever gave him. Same with the SSM cartoon and and even the 90's cartoon.

But then it really doesn't take much to improve on the comic book character.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Surely, if you believe there is even a slight difference in characterization between the two, than your in denial or just being disagreeable...especially since you readily admit you have being saying similar characterization about SM3 Venom.

Raimi based the character off the same characterization of the comics. He just changed the motivation. I thought he would reinvent the character, given he said the character was foundationless and need work. I guess that was code for tweaking the comic story to fit his SM3 story...which is all he did.

 

[Eggyman]

Surely, if you believe there is even a slight difference in characterization between the two, than your in denial or just being disagreeable...especially since you readily admit you have being saying similar characterization about SM3 Venom.

Raimi based the character off the same characterization of the comics. He just changed the motivation. I thought he would reinvent the character, given he said the character was foundationless and need work. I guess that was code for tweaking the comic story to fit his SM3 story...which is all he did.

'Changed the motivation'. Yes. He increased it. So, in your estimation, if someone has a differing opinion to you, then they're either being disagreeable or are in denial? Pull your head out of your arse--it's a beautiful day.

 

[Venom'sDad]

He admitted to saying same thing; so why are you involving yourself disrespectful in an honest conversation. Are you his.... well you know, girl.

 

[Eggyman]

He admitted to saying same thing; so why are you involving yourself disrespectful in an honest conversation. Are you his.... well you know, girl.

I'm a member of a public forum and can be involved in any discussion I choose. So he either agrees with you or he's in denial or just being an arse--is that it? No, I'm not his girl. I was agreeing with him, like people agree from time to time. You're familiar with this concept? The way you disregarded his opinion as either one thing or another was very condescending and doesn't show you in a nice light at all. That is all.

 

[Venom'sDad]

LOL. Alrighty than, moving on....

 

[Michael Frost]

Can I also join in? I love these silly discussions.

 

[Venom75]

Truthfully,I really loved SSM's version of Brock/Venom the most. Having Peter and Eddie starting out as great/best friends really would make what happened to Eddie later on even more personal. I hope that if Eddie appears in the reboot series,that this storyline is used.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

He admitted to saying same thing; so why are you involving yourself disrespectful in an honest conversation. Are you his.... well you know, girl.

Joker...you've been cheating on me?

 

[Vile]

Venom was a step up from the comic version - but, as many have said it wasnt too hard to do.

Octopus was simply given The Lizards backstory, which made the character...stupid, IMHO.

Sandman was laughable. His "I'm not a bad guy" schtick was just hilarious considering his actions through the movie. You cant help but laugh at him and Pete enjoying a cry at the end together when 10 minutes before he was a giant sand monster smashing spidey's face in.

I always thought after Peter forgave him (LOL) and Sandy flies away, Pete turns to MJ and Harry's corpse just as a bank siren goes off. Far off in the distance "...I'm not a bad guy...". Peter sighs, fade to black