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Babillygunn said:
That tweet by Comicsgate through God of Thunder! :eek:
Talk about obnoxious.
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EVS seems to lose his mind more and more.
Could be because the support for Comicsgate slowly dies down because they all just bullshirt around.
EVS sells some stupid worthless coins where he prints his frog on for more than they are worth while most comicsgaters instead of work, go on twitter rants about some kind of crusade and lies about how they are not hating people etc.

If i remember correctly, not even 10% of the projects of comicsgaters have moved forward so far, they are mostly way behind schedule and all.

And that seems to make EVS really angry and crazy.
He goes more and more into a state where he talks just weird nonsense.

CrimsonMist said:
What King did was pretty damn stupid. It was a mistake, but it was a completely bone-headed, absent minded, stupid mistake.

While I can understand the need to be more aware of what's going on within the community in which you work, making a broad accusation like that is...not the way to go. Then again, there was a point in time where I was genuinely surprised that some people I met didn't have social media.

I do find it kind of amusing that despite everything, Jae Lee wants nothing at all to do with Comicsgate.

Hopefully, King and Lee can move forward from this and that King learns his lesson to research first.
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Yeah, i get what King wanted...but he should have done more research first before acting...it didnt help anybody except the comicsgate clowns.
They can play the victim and that is never good because they arent victims.

Its kind of funny that comicsgaters come to defend Lee(hoping to gain something from it)and he pretty much goes: Nope, im not part of that hate group...i dont want to be part of them.
 
Lee said he is "not part of any group". He does not follow social media. Thankfully.

What makes Kings dumb tweets worse , besides you know contacting Lee via e-mail or phone before tweeting, is that this wasn't a new thing. Jae Lee does covers for DC. He has done Cyberfrog covers (not many, but a few) for EVS since the 90s. Comic book artists do alternate covers to each other all the time.
 
Mani-Man said:
EVS seems to lose his mind more and more.
Could be because the support for Comicsgate slowly dies down because they all just bull**** around.
EVS sells some stupid worthless coins where he prints his frog on for more than they are worth while most comicsgaters instead of work, go on twitter rants about some kind of crusade and lies about how they are not hating people etc.

If i remember correctly, not even 10% of the projects of comicsgaters have moved forward so far, they are mostly way behind schedule and all.

And that seems to make EVS really angry and crazy.
He goes more and more into a state where he talks just weird nonsense.



Yeah, i get what King wanted...but he should have done more research first before acting...it didnt help anybody except the comicsgate clowns.
They can play the victim and that is never good because they arent victims.

Its kind of funny that comicsgaters come to defend Lee(hoping to gain something from it)and he pretty much goes: Nope, im not part of that hate group...i dont want to be part of them.
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Well, hopefully Jae Lee will cut ties with EVS now that he knows, as well. He's not a struggling artist. He can afford to choose whom he makes covers for.
 
I finished Omega Men late last week and am finally getting a chance to pull my thoughts together. Let me start off by saying that this is definitely my second favorite Tom King work, behind Up in the Sky. It was less abstract than Mister Miracle, which was a good call, as King’s intentions behind the story came across very well.
I have a feeling that this was a very personal story for him. It seemed to be dripping with his experiences in the CIA and the analogies to the political situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are very in your face. I thought that using Kyle Rayner as the entry point for the audience to experience the Omega Men was a very good call. King wrote Kyle in a very generic way. With the exception of Kyle reflecting on the fact that he wasn’t technically chosen by the ring, (and of course his status as. White lantern) he could’ve inserted John Stewart or Hal Jordan and it wouldn’t have mattered. But Kyle definitely worked here.
I appreciated King placing emphasis on Kyle’s catholic faith (I’m not sure if that is a thing in the comics. I’ve never known Kyle to place such emphasis on his Catholicism like Huntress or Daredevil. But again it was very effective here.) The religion subtext as well as the overarching political themes provided a lot of provocative questions. Between this and his Cold Days story in Batman, I notice that King seems to contemplate the book of Job a good bit. This makes sense due to the fact that Job poses the age old question of why does God allow bad things to happen, but refuses to answer it aside from saying that Karma is too easy an answer. King wrestles with that premise, and ultimately, like the book of Job, doesn’t answer the question. And I’m glad he doesn’t.
King recognizes that he cannot craft an answer to that question without it coming across as trite. So he just lets it sit there. Also, by providing Kyle as the audience’s point of view, he is able to show us the flaws in even the titular heroes. By the end, after the bad guys are put down and the good guys are set up in power, the good guys start to look eerily similar to the bad guys. This is an obvious metaphor for our global (and national) political climates.
The ending to the book was the most poignant inasmuch as Kyle is asked a very interesting question: where do his allegiances lie? Kyle is made aware that there is an unavoidable conflict down the road where Earth will have to impose its might on the Omega Men in order to survive. Earth can only be virtuous for so long until it will have to become the Citadel, the villain of the story, in order to survive. Since the Omega Men don’t show themselves righteous in the end, will that justify Earth’s inevitable exercise of force? And where will Kyle side in the fight? Where will the other heroes? What side is truly right?
None of the questions are answered and the book is all the better for it. These are deep questions that we should contemplate and as an audience it is right that we not be spoon fed the canned answer.
In the end, I thought this was a masterpiece. King could’ve made Omega Men a silly Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off, but instead he told a provocative story that requires our reflection and contemplation on issues of God, politics and the fundamental notions of right and wrong. And he did it wonderfully.
 
Babillygunn said:
I finished Omega Men late last week and am finally getting a chance to pull my thoughts together. Let me start off by saying that this is definitely my second favorite Tom King work, behind Up in the Sky. It was less abstract than Mister Miracle, which was a good call, as King’s intentions behind the story came across very well.
I have a feeling that this was a very personal story for him. It seemed to be dripping with his experiences in the CIA and the analogies to the political situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are very in your face. I thought that using Kyle Rayner as the entry point for the audience to experience the Omega Men was a very good call. King wrote Kyle in a very generic way. With the exception of Kyle reflecting on the fact that he wasn’t technically chosen by the ring, (and of course his status as. White lantern) he could’ve inserted John Stewart or Hal Jordan and it wouldn’t have mattered. But Kyle definitely worked here.
I appreciated King placing emphasis on Kyle’s catholic faith (I’m not sure if that is a thing in the comics. I’ve never known Kyle to place such emphasis on his Catholicism like Huntress or Daredevil. But again it was very effective here.) The religion subtext as well as the overarching political themes provided a lot of provocative questions. Between this and his Cold Days story in Batman, I notice that King seems to contemplate the book of Job a good bit. This makes sense due to the fact that Job poses the age old question of why does God allow bad things to happen, but refuses to answer it aside from saying that Karma is too easy an answer. King wrestles with that premise, and ultimately, like the book of Job, doesn’t answer the question. And I’m glad he doesn’t.
King recognizes that he cannot craft an answer to that question without it coming across as trite. So he just lets it sit there. Also, by providing Kyle as the audience’s point of view, he is able to show us the flaws in even the titular heroes. By the end, after the bad guys are put down and the good guys are set up in power, the good guys start to look eerily similar to the bad guys. This is an obvious metaphor for our global (and national) political climates.
The ending to the book was the most poignant inasmuch as Kyle is asked a very interesting question: where do his allegiances lie? Kyle is made aware that there is an unavoidable conflict down the road where Earth will have to impose its might on the Omega Men in order to survive. Earth can only be virtuous for so long until it will have to become the Citadel, the villain of the story, in order to survive. Since the Omega Men don’t show themselves righteous in the end, will that justify Earth’s inevitable exercise of force? And where will Kyle side in the fight? Where will the other heroes? What side is truly right?
None of the questions are answered and the book is all the better for it. These are deep questions that we should contemplate and as an audience it is right that we not be spoon fed the canned answer.
In the end, I thought this was a masterpiece. King could’ve made Omega Men a silly Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off, but instead he told a provocative story that requires our reflection and contemplation on issues of God, politics and the fundamental notions of right and wrong. And he did it wonderfully.
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Awesome review, and I 100% agree. Though I think it might actually be my #1 fave from him. It's just SO good, imo. One of my favorite things about King is that instead of simplifying or trying to provide answers to complex questions - whether it's with a character like Superman or whether it's a geo-political/social scenario - he instead presents them as challenges to the reader to contemplate themselves, and kind of force them to look at it through a lens they may not have before, and I love it. It leaves me thinking about his stories a loooong time after I've read them.

Also, I was never a fan of Kyle Rayner before picking up this book, but he was such the perfect everyman in it, I ended up diving into his history and fell in love with him a little bit. And considering his half-Irish, half-Mexican heritage, I'd be shocked if he weren't Catholic. :funny:
 
Babillygunn said:
I finished Omega Men late last week and am finally getting a chance to pull my thoughts together. Let me start off by saying that this is definitely my second favorite Tom King work, behind Up in the Sky. It was less abstract than Mister Miracle, which was a good call, as King’s intentions behind the story came across very well.
I have a feeling that this was a very personal story for him. It seemed to be dripping with his experiences in the CIA and the analogies to the political situations in Iraq and Afghanistan are very in your face. I thought that using Kyle Rayner as the entry point for the audience to experience the Omega Men was a very good call. King wrote Kyle in a very generic way. With the exception of Kyle reflecting on the fact that he wasn’t technically chosen by the ring, (and of course his status as. White lantern) he could’ve inserted John Stewart or Hal Jordan and it wouldn’t have mattered. But Kyle definitely worked here.
I appreciated King placing emphasis on Kyle’s catholic faith (I’m not sure if that is a thing in the comics. I’ve never known Kyle to place such emphasis on his Catholicism like Huntress or Daredevil. But again it was very effective here.) The religion subtext as well as the overarching political themes provided a lot of provocative questions. Between this and his Cold Days story in Batman, I notice that King seems to contemplate the book of Job a good bit. This makes sense due to the fact that Job poses the age old question of why does God allow bad things to happen, but refuses to answer it aside from saying that Karma is too easy an answer. King wrestles with that premise, and ultimately, like the book of Job, doesn’t answer the question. And I’m glad he doesn’t.
King recognizes that he cannot craft an answer to that question without it coming across as trite. So he just lets it sit there. Also, by providing Kyle as the audience’s point of view, he is able to show us the flaws in even the titular heroes. By the end, after the bad guys are put down and the good guys are set up in power, the good guys start to look eerily similar to the bad guys. This is an obvious metaphor for our global (and national) political climates.
The ending to the book was the most poignant inasmuch as Kyle is asked a very interesting question: where do his allegiances lie? Kyle is made aware that there is an unavoidable conflict down the road where Earth will have to impose its might on the Omega Men in order to survive. Earth can only be virtuous for so long until it will have to become the Citadel, the villain of the story, in order to survive. Since the Omega Men don’t show themselves righteous in the end, will that justify Earth’s inevitable exercise of force? And where will Kyle side in the fight? Where will the other heroes? What side is truly right?
None of the questions are answered and the book is all the better for it. These are deep questions that we should contemplate and as an audience it is right that we not be spoon fed the canned answer.
In the end, I thought this was a masterpiece. King could’ve made Omega Men a silly Guardians of the Galaxy rip-off, but instead he told a provocative story that requires our reflection and contemplation on issues of God, politics and the fundamental notions of right and wrong. And he did it wonderfully.
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Excellent review!

I think Kyle works in this story better than Hal or John because Kyle is the average guy thrown into extraordinary situations, whereas Hal, a test pilot, and John, a marine, were already in that world prior to the ring. So I think Kyle might even be a stand-in for King himself, who was an intern form DC and Marvel prior to joining the CIA after 9/11. So i think using Kyle on that level really works, but I admit: my dives into Green Lantern are very far and few between.

The ending was also one of my favorite parts: such a vicious cycle, that even the most noble of efforts can become corrupted and that the idea of "sides" is so naive. Plus, I love the use of the 9 panel grid on that page. Like the idea of "sides", it's a prison you can't escape from.

I remember picking up the first issue after it had been announced it was cancelled and thinking it was interesting, but I was so dissatisfied with DC at the time that I didn't bother continuing it. What a mistake that was. Looking forward to finally upgrade my paperback copy with the deluxe hardcover.
 
Just finished reading Batman The Cult.
Not sure what to say, it was an okay story, I don't think I've seen Batman this broken before (he even kills a man with his bare hands?). I can see that they used stuff from this in TDKR.
The art was actually pretty cool but I hated that whenever someone is having a long dialogue every panel is basically identical apart from The text bubble.

All in all, I don't regret reading it but not sure I would recommend it to anyone.
 
gohei_ said:
Just finished reading Batman The Cult.
Not sure what to say, it was an okay story, I don't think I've seen Batman this broken before (he even kills a man with his bare hands?). I can see that they used stuff from this in TDKR.
The art was actually pretty cool but I hated that whenever someone is having a long dialogue every panel is basically identical apart from The text bubble.

All in all, I don't regret reading it but not sure I would recommend it to anyone.
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I reread The Cult recently for the first time since it came out and was surprised how much I disliked it this time around. I got a heavy Miller/The Dark Knight Returns vibe from it - but nowhere near as good. I like dark/gritty/hard-hitting Batman, but this was just a really unpleasant story and reading experience.
 
Milk Tray Guy said:
I reread The Cult recently for the first time since it came out and was surprised how much I disliked it this time around. I got a heavy Miller/The Dark Knight Returns vibe from it - but nowhere near as good. I like dark/gritty/hard-hitting Batman, but this was just a really unpleasant story and reading experience.
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I've only seen the movie, but yeah I agree on that. I guess you could also say it was a bit of a precursor to No Mans Land.
 
DCeased #2 came out...overall enjoyable

Jon is on doors death after his run in with Wonder Woman

Roy is killed almost instantly while saving a child...

Cassie/Wonder Woman-Damien/Batman are a couple (because you know...everyone from her Gen are now unimportant and repalced by actual offspring)

Poison Ivy has a strong hold in Gotham thats been safe for 5 years, Dinah attempts to bring an undead Oliver with her and is quickly turned away.

Zantanna and the whole magic crew are killed by Plastic Man who is pretending to be a river? in Australia.

They set up new big bads that arent dead[/spoiler[
 
Primal Slayer said:
DCeased #2 came out...overall enjoyable

Jon is on doors death after his run in with Wonder Woman

Roy is killed almost instantly while saving a child...

Cassie/Wonder Woman-Damien/Batman are a couple (because you know...everyone from her Gen are now unimportant and repalced by actual offspring)

Poison Ivy has a strong hold in Gotham thats been safe for 5 years, Dinah attempts to bring an undead Oliver with her and is quickly turned away.

Zantanna and the whole magic crew are killed by Plastic Man who is pretending to be a river? in Australia.

They set up new big bads that arent dead[/spoiler[
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That's another thing that upsets me about Young Justice. Teen Titans made some giant growths for all of them and Young Justice for the most part brings them back to the early 00. I loved Cassie and Conner together. I also loved how Conner grew and was the person who I thought should always take over for Superman. And now all that history for them is erased. I wouldn't mind it if Jon took over but the way Bendis has written him just make me not really care for anything he's in and that's sad.
 
So, I'm reading the "Trial of Superman" arc from the 90's for the first time (quite a yarn!), and I think it's the first time I've ever encountered the Alpha Centurion character before (at least, in any significant role - I vaguely recall seeing him in a small supporting role somewhere else). Reading up on the character's backstory...this dude is a total rip-off of Valiant's X-O Manowar, right? I mean, he was created 2 years later, and they seem way too similar in concept for that to be a coincidence, imo, just swapping "viking" out with "ancient Roman warrior."
 
flickchick85 said:
So, I'm reading the "Trial of Superman" arc from the 90's for the first time (quite a yarn!), and I think it's the first time I've ever encountered the Alpha Centurion character before (at least, in any significant role - I vaguely recall seeing him in a small supporting role somewhere else). Reading up on the character's backstory...this dude is a total rip-off of Valiant's X-O Manowar, right? I mean, he was created 2 years later, and they seem way too similar in concept for that to be a coincidence, imo, just swapping "viking" out with "ancient Roman warrior."
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Ive never read Trial of Superman. Is it worth a read?
 
Does anyone know whether there was any closure to the arc that was happening in Green Arrow at the end of his Rebirth title?

Martian Manhunter gave GA a box that he said contained a weapon that would be able to take down the Justice League. He wanted GA to have it because he trusted only him as he was kind of an outsider. After GA is dumped on by, well everyone, and is treated as a lesser hero at every turn, he becomes jaded. He eventually looks into the box and it appears empty. Feeling he was played the fool again, he threw the box away in anger. After he walked off the box started to activate and you see an unidentified figure pick it up.
The whole story ended with a cliffhanger and with GA basically totally disrespected and marginalized. I loved his Rebirth title and felt that it was a crummy way to end. It was like Alf ending with him caught he the Alien Task Force.
 
Babillygunn said:
Ive never read Trial of Superman. Is it worth a read?
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Oh for sure. It's longer than it needs to be (15 issues), but it's a really fun if you like the galaxy-hopping space adventure Supes stories. I mean, I have the same issues with it that I typically have with 90's comics - namely that I prefer arcs with a singular vision/creative team, instead of these ones that are spread across a gazillion titles (they had waaaay too many simultaneous Supes titles back then, imo) from so many different teams, as it makes it all feel quite scattershot with a lot of ongoing plotlines to keep track of, plus the, uh verbosity of the times (everybody has such long, unnecessary internal monologues, lol) tend to grate on me...but outside of that, my only big complaint is that it wasn't a Warworld story. Seriously, this would've been perfect for Warworld. It could've fit right in there. A mashup of "The Trial of Superman" + the Warworld portion of "Exile" would make an ideal basis for that hypothetical Thor: Ragnarok-esque Warworld Supes movie people are always asking for...though it would probably work even better as a mini-series or arc in a Supes series (with a proper budget).
 
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