Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

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Yeah, I care about characters who can add the most to the story in a meaningful way, rather than just characters who simply never been on the big screen. Raven can add a lot, specially for Rogue and Kurt. Not to mention that we've never really seen Mystique on screen.

I don't really want her in the first X-Men movie, nor as a main villain. But I certainly want her as a recurring presence.

I love the character, and it's not going to be Simon ****ing Kinberg's mishandle of the franchise that it's going to make me not love her. She adds a lot to the story, and I want Rogue to get a proper start in the MCU.
That's precisely how you should approach any story. What does this character bring to this particular story being told. Do I have a story to tell with them? If not, how can they accent/support someone else etc

I would've loved to see the Brotherhood in Captain Marvel 2 as that would cover a lot of bases for them. But unfortunately, all signs point to that movie being the Secret Invasion (A story I have no interest in tbh).

I still think this guy would be a good choice for X1 too
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You could definitely make him a mirror image to the X-Men still too and have Sinister involved in his being unleashed
Thats my big issue. People who aren't that knowledgeable about the X-Men's history, probably think she's some big figure in the X-Men mythos, when she's really far from it. Really if someone reads all of these (it can be done)

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Adjectiveless X-Men vol. 1 to 5
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Those special 1 shots/special events X-Men titles/crossovers

Mystique is far from being one of the important characters in the X-Men mythos. Like the big three villains are obv Magneto, Apocalypse and Sinister. While actual X-Men like Psylocke, Rogue and even Angel are more integral to X-Men stories. I don't know why keep giving Mystique a platform right away the moment the mutants are introduced. And the eXcuse, that Mystique hasn't been properly adapt in the movids.... well Sherlock so are Psylocke, Rogue, Angel, Polaris, Jubilee, Iceman, Gambit, Colossus, Havok, Banshee, Bishop, Sage, Cecilia Reyes, M, Multiple Man, the New Mutants, X-Force, Strong Guy, Mr. Sinister, Legion, Proteus, Apocalypse, Shadow King, Forge, Dazzler, Sauron, Moonstone, Deathbird, Lilandra, the Brood, eXcetera....but we should be giving the one who already appeared in siX movies (undeservingly so) a movie role in X-Men's reboot in the mcu. Just no. I imagine a big uproar when Mystiqueis reported to appear and see comments... Mystique again?
You mention Rogue as an integral member (I agree ofc) but wonder how Raven is relevant in this context?

Without Raven, there is no Rogue. There is no Kurt. There is no Brotherhood II, or Freedom Force. Mystique is connected to a lot of things. So yea, she is pretty important in the lore. If you want Rogue done right, you need Raven (and Destiny). As she's *integral to Rogue's journey as a character.

The difference between Mystique and someone like Lilandra, or Strong Guy, or Apocalypse is that the latter characters require a context to make sense. Raven IS the context. Now why would Apocalypse be in the first X-Men movie lol


@MilkmanDan, @Marvel united, sorry I’m struggling to reply to your multiquote on mobile. DiCaprio as Rev Stryker and McConaughey as Senator Kelly or Henry Gyrich would be amazing. I think these guys would be open to doing one off villain slots. The MCU has done well in attracting big names for those kinds of roles.

The only drawback is that I think these all need to be recurring background characters that grow in importance throughout the films. I want them to be a part of the fabric of the X-universe and not killed off too early or for their long term plans to come to fruition too early.
They'd definitely be recurring roles. X-Men 1 would naturally be the setup for a lot of stuff. Especially if in this first movie, you're dealing with the public's reaction to the X-Men for the first time.

An X-Men movie that isn't about genocide or the "looming war" between humans & mutants (at least not yet) presents a lot of exciting new possibilities. There's a lot of room to play around with that nuance regarding the mutant issue that we have not seen yet in these films.
 
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Big no for me.

Hopefully these delays (their entire slate being delayed by 1 year) will make Marvel Studios forget about the FoX actors in their reXpective roles. The reboot needs new blood. Save these recycling actors because of multiverse shtick to Spider-Man.

yeah I was thinking of just a once off before the universes smash together but I definitely don’t want the old wolverine as the new wolverine

Maybe this is the role for Matthew McConaughey? Leonardo DiCaprio too. Maybe they go A-list for Essex

For Sinister, he can technically be the true villain of any film as he's more of a Kingpin. He manipulates people BTS. You could make him an overarching figure over the films

For X1? I kinda want to see the Brotherhood again. This version I mean
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I mean, think about it. There's a reason why every XM adaptation starts with them. The Brotherhood are THE ideological opposition to the X-Men's foundation

Plus by the time we get to this movie, we'll be a whole 25-26 years removed from X-Men (2000), and 19-20 years removed from TLS. They will be fresh to a whole new generation.

I see those two more of as Reverend Stryker/Graydon Creed types. I can picture either of them on a podium giving an anti-mutant speech to a cheering crowd.

oh isn’t that funny. I was thinking of McConaughey as Cameron Hodge.

let me have a think about Grayson Creed, I think there’s someone fun we can cast as him who would be perfect. He would definitely be a good representative of the threat from humanity
 
Yeah Fox messed up by killing off Sen. Kelly and Gyrich, these two men need to a consistent thorn to Xavier’s dream besides Magneto. Eventually we would see the growth and turn around for Kelly but Gyrich and Trask or Stephen Lang making the sentinels. Craydon Creed creating the FOH which could lead to a different take on the Mutant Massacre story, what if they were kidnapping and killing mutants or using social media to further their bigotry (similar to the Proud Boys). The X-Men lore has some very interesting human characters/element that we need to see grow and change over a span of 10 years. Giving the political climate we are in now the future writers and directors of this franchise have A LOT they can utilize from this presidential cabinet. LOL
 
Mystique is far from being one of the important characters in the X-Men mythos. Like the big three villains are obv Magneto, Apocalypse and Sinister. While actual X-Men like Psylocke, Rogue and even Angel are more integral to X-Men stories. I don't know why keep giving Mystique a platform right away the moment the mutants are introduced. And the eXcuse, that Mystique hasn't been properly adapt in the movids.... well Sherlock so are Psylocke, Rogue, Angel, Polaris, Jubilee, Iceman, Gambit, Colossus, Havok, Banshee, Bishop, Sage, Cecilia Reyes, M, Multiple Man, the New Mutants, X-Force, Strong Guy, Mr. Sinister, Legion, Proteus, Apocalypse, Shadow King, Forge, Dazzler, Sauron, Moonstone, Deathbird, Lilandra, the Brood, eXcetera....but we should be giving the one who already appeared in siX movies (undeservingly so) a movie role in X-Men's reboot in the mcu. Just no. I imagine a big uproar when Mystiqueis reported to appear and see comments... Mystique again?

Well SEVEN films actually, but "seven" doesn't have an X in it. But yeah, nailed it. If we rank the # of films where each character appeared, Mystique is 4th behind Charles, Logan, and Magneto, and tied with Jean.

Surely it would work far better to just leave Mystique in the dugout for a while. If she were to show up at all, then maybe when a nice opportunity arises, during a post-credit scene in Film 3 or 4 or maybe a spin-off, some random character will shapeshift into MCU Mystique and it'll be a great twist.
 
Well SEVEN films actually, but "seven" doesn't have an X in it. But yeah, nailed it. If we rank the # of films where each character appeared, Mystique is 4th behind Charles, Logan, and Magneto, and tied with Jean.

Surely it would work far better to just leave Mystique in the dugout for a while. If she were to show up at all, then maybe when a nice opportunity arises, during a post-credit scene in Film 3 or 4 or maybe a spin-off, some random character will shapeshift into MCU Mystique and it'll be a great twist.
Oh its seven haha! Its that many that I lost count!

Anyway saw this little ad in my instagram

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If Feige includes Psylocke in X-Men 1 as one of the core members...

I just love how Psylocke is such a force in Marvel video games, one of the most eXposed X-Women in the videogames. If that happens in the mcu..
 
yeah I was thinking of just a once off before the universes smash together but I definitely don’t want the old wolverine as the new wolverine





oh isn’t that funny. I was thinking of McConaughey as Cameron Hodge.

let me have a think about Grayson Creed, I think there’s someone fun we can cast as him who would be perfect. He would definitely be a good representative of the threat from humanity

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I think Billy Magnussen or someone like him would be ideal for Graydon Creed. And as others said, I definitely see the FOH being modeled after today's Proud Boys and assorted groups.
 
You mention Rogue as an integral member (I agree ofc) but wonder how Raven is relevant in this context?

Without Raven, there is no Rogue. There is no Kurt. There is no Brotherhood II, or Freedom Force. Mystique is connected to a lot of things. So yea, she is pretty important in the lore. If you want Rogue done right, you need Raven (and Destiny). As she's *integral to Rogue's journey as a character.

The difference between Mystique and someone like Lilandra, or Strong Guy, or Apocalypse is that the latter characters require a context to make sense. Raven IS the context. Now why would Apocalypse be in the first X-Men movie lol
Sony and Marvel didn't use the Green Goblin for their reXpective reboot (the first movie). Joker didn't appear in Nolan's first Batman movie. Those characters appeared in fewer films iirc. Lex didn't appear in Superman's movie reboot as well.

And Mystique isn't a big bad/#1 archnemesis of the X-Men to be introduced in the reboot Xpecially after seven movie appearances. Yes, Rogue should be in the first film but she can interact and have storyline with the other characters and villains. We all saw X1, the Mystique there had no relation with Rogue. So suddenly there's no Rogue without Raven? I don't think so. Same thing with Kurt. Maybe if Rogue gets a solo film, you could include her mum in that movie.
 
Yup. As I said, if this is the angle they're going with, then in all likelihood, the snap is probably being set as the catalyst for mutants.
Sony and Marvel didn't use the Green Goblin for their reXpective reboot (the first movie). Joker didn't appear in Nolan's first Batman movie. Those characters appeared in fewer films iirc. Lex didn't appear in Superman's movie reboot as well.
And Harry Osborn didn't show up in the film either, as it would've made no sense to have him without Norman

And Mystique isn't a big bad/#1 archnemesis of the X-Men to be introduced in the reboot Xpecially after seven movie appearances. Yes, Rogue should be in the first film but she can interact and have storyline with the other characters and villains. We all saw X1, the Mystique there had no relation with Rogue. So suddenly there's no Rogue without Raven? I don't think so. Same thing with Kurt. Maybe if Rogue gets a solo film, you could include her mum in that movie.
That's because Singer reinvented her. Her backstory, what motivates her, her journey, how she views the world etc were all radically changed from the comics. He substituted the paternal/mother issues angle with other stuff...

Rogue was still a great character, though. It was a very different take, but she still had depth, and a compelling story. One that made sense for the universe Singer had created.

But I'm hoping that the MCU skews closer to the comics with their Rogue. That's how you differentiate her from the past films
 
If we got a Spidey film without Uncle Ben.... surely Rogue could survive without her mum. Its not a solo Rogue film after all. Anyway, I'm not entirely croXing out Mystique in the mcu,maybe after the siXth X-Men movie. I wouldn't even mind seeing her shapeshifting ways again.
 
If we got a Spidey film without Uncle Ben.... surely Rogue could survive without her mum. Its not a solo Rogue film after all. Anyway, I'm not entirely croXing out Mystique in the mcu,maybe after the siXth X-Men movie. I wouldn't even mind seeing her shapeshifting ways again.
But Uncle Ben had been twice already. A proper comic accurate Rogue hasn't. Rogue's parental issues, her journey from villain to hero, her struggle to be better etc are all elements that give her depth, and make us want to invest in her..

Otherwise, you're left with a very shallow character. Esp if you're gonna just condense all of that into an exposition packet
 
Just spitballing here, but regarding Rogue's parental issues, you know who we haven't seen in the movies yet? Destiny. Maybe it's time for Ms. Adler to have a more prominent role, at least initially.
 
It is absolutely time for Destiny to appear. I would love to see Holland Taylor in the role

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I think Billy Magnussen or someone like him would be ideal for Graydon Creed. And as others said, I definitely see the FOH being modeled after today's Proud Boys and assorted groups.

oh wow I love that. I was thinking Dylan McDermott for Graydon because he could play politically charming and morally oily after Hollywood but I like yours better. I think Billy could give it a gritty nasty feeling like Ben Foster’s character in 3:10 to Yuma
 
In the MCU if you are gonna use Destiny I say you have to use Mystique and vice versa. The two are too linked in my mind. And MCU Mystique is gonna be hella different than the Fox version, mark my words.
 
Yeah, she pretty much has to be. Most of what we know about Raven in FoXmen (grew up with Charles, UST with Beast, helped found the X-Men, led the team against Apocalypse, etc.) was made up for those movies, and a lot of that was motivated by riding on JLaw's stardom rather than anything from the comics. It's practically a whole different character already.
 
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Ralph Fiennes as Prof. X
Jack O'Connell or Brenton Thwaites as Cyclops
Kaya Scodelario or Naomi Scott or Lily James as Jean
Mena Massoud as Angel
Gregg Sulkin or Logan Lerman as Iceman
KiKi Layne or Keke Palmer as Storm
Dev Patel as Beast
Madison Iseman or Maude Apatow as Shadowcat
Ryan Potter as Nightcrawler
Tiffany Espensen as Jubilee
David Corenswet or Jacob Elordi as Colossus
Dacre Montgomery or Milo Gibson as Wolverine
Hailee Steinfeld or Chloë Grace Moretz as Rogue
Haley Bennett or Lily James as Emma Frost
Booboo Stewart as Forge
Sonoya Mizuno as Psylocke
Lance Gross as Bishop
Charlie Rowe as Kevin MacTaggert
Harry Styles as Gambit
Laura Fraser as Moira MacTaggert
Kevin McKidd as Sean Cassidy
 
Just spitballing here, but regarding Rogue's parental issues, you know who we haven't seen in the movies yet? Destiny. Maybe it's time for Ms. Adler to have a more prominent role, at least initially.
I'd love to see Destiny instead of Mystique. Someone new in the movie fliXs.
 
Stan and Jack are the ones who created the X-Men. Both are children of immigrants by the way. Straight white males have written many excellent X-Men stories. It has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with their creative talents. Do we need a lesbian hispanic alien from space to write America Chavez? Do we need a Norse demi god from a different realm to write Thor?
All those creators are Children of immigrants yes, and, barring Morrison, and Hickman are Jewish. Not saying that you have to be from a minority to express yourself about it, but they know one or two things about being oppressed.
 
In the MCU if you are gonna use Destiny I say you have to use Mystique and vice versa. The two are too linked in my mind. And MCU Mystique is gonna be hella different than the Fox version, mark my words.
They ARE linked :funny: You can't just separate Raven from Irene like that w/out substituting her for something else. These characters don't exist in a vacuum. They have relationships, and histories that are intrinsically tied together.

Destiny works best when she can play off her wife! There's a context here
 
They ARE linked :funny: You can't just separate Raven from Irene like that w/out substituting her for something else. These characters don't exist in a vacuum. They have relationships, and histories that are intrinsically tied together.

Destiny works best when she can play off her wife! There's a context here
That's like if you said in 2012 that the MCU can't do Thanos without Lady Death. You'd be wrong then and Feige has shown us that you're wrong now.

I personally would like to see Destiny with Mystique in their eventual Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, but saying Destiny can't be done without Mystique or the other way around is patently false.
 
I want characters who can tell the best stories rather than just for the sake of being new or never adapted. Raven can bring great material for both Rogue and Kurt.
 
I could see MCU Destiny getting a more prominent role than she has in previous versions, especially if they switch it up and embrace Claremont's original plan to make her Kurt's mom
 
In the deserts of Africa a young Idie Okonkwo wakes in the early hours of the morning with a burning fever, but terrible cold sweats. Her sudden illness comes at a terrible time, as armed men descend upon her village. They have been here before, and taken away many young men, including her older brother. But this time, they are coming for her. Idie's parents try to get her to safety, but they are separated. Cornered by the enemy, Idie lashes out in a sudden burst of power - unleashing fire and ice to kill the attackers. But her parents and the other villagers are terrified by what they see, and more soldiers are coming.

Idie runs away from everything she's ever known into the desert. But just before the enemies catch her once more, the X-Men arrive. The elite team of mutant heroes - Cyclops, Prestige (Jean Grey), Storm, Iceman, Jubilee and Rictor - makes short work of the men and spirit Idie away in their stealth jet.

The team comes home to the X-Mansion, a sprawling above-and-below-ground estate that operates as the base of operations for Professor Charles Xavier's efforts to keep mutants safe by hiding them from the world. Xavier and Dr. Hank McCoy welcome Idie and introduce her to her new "classmates/family," including Kitty Pryde, Alex Summers and Quentin Quire. Kitty quickly takes Idie under her wing. Meanwhile, Xavier debriefs the team. Xavier confides to Scott, Jean and Ororo in private that the number of mutants is growing exponentially. Ororo believes this means it is time to go public, but Scott sides with Xavier in maintaining caution. Afterwards, he goes to Jean, hoping to validate his choices. It is revealed he defied Xavier after the blip to try and be a superhero, but the foray ended in the death of teammate Morph and put their entire operation at risk.

Back in Africa, the survivors of the squad sent to collect Idie report to their commander, Adonjo Unduque. It is revealed that he is a human trafficker working for the mysterious Hellfire Club, selling kidnapped humans to alien clients in exchange for extraterrestrial technology. He reluctantly reports the bad news to the Black King, Sebastian Shaw, but reveals that he holds Idie's family, and hopes that they will lead the X-Men into the hands of the Hellfire Club.

Back at the mansion, Idie begins to train, first with Iceman, but she is views her powers as a curse and would rather have a cure. When Bobby can't get through, Storm takes over and tries, along with Kitty, to encourage her to embrace her true self. Quentin, however, mocks her for not sharing his views on the superiority of mutants. Meanwhile, Scott trains his little brother. Alex is desperate to be able to go into the field, but still struggles to control his powers. They fight.

An angry Havoc teams with Quentin, who is diametrically opposed to Xavier's "wait for the right moment" message, to convince Idie and Kitty to run away and try and rescue her family themselves. They trigger the Hellfire Club's surveillance, and Donald Pierce and his Reavers are sent after them. The students encounter a stranger, Polaris, who is also tracking the Club's activities. She and Havoc quickly connect, and she helps them break into a facility in Brussels, where Adonjo Unduque is testifying before the UN. Quentin causes chaos by revealing the deepest secrets of all the government officials present and the group gives chase to a fleesing Unduque. However, they are attacked and overpowered by the Reavers, fighting with their powers in public, but are captured anyway.

Realizing what has happened, Cyclops and the team suit up to go on the offensive. They arrive in Brussels too late, and find that the Hellfire Club has already cleaned up the incident. After a brief fight with the Reavers who stayed behind, they follow up on their only remaining lead - the Unduque's compound in Africa.

The young mutants awake in the labs of Dr. Karl Lykos, somewhere in a mysterious jungle. Attempting to work together, they manage to escape, but their clashing personalities quickly leave them stranded in the jungle. Quentin abandons the others, who are shocked to be attacked by dinosaurs, only surviving thanks to the return of Lykos and Pierce. Returned to the lab, Lykos explains the nature of the Savage Land before beginning to conduct experiments upon his captors. He has been trying to replicate the evolutionary process to bring about mutations of his own design. The students are imprisoned alongside his mutates, including Morph, revealed to have survived and been captured. His shape-shifting cells have been harvested by Lykos, the final key in his experiment.

In Africa, the X-Men face off with the Unduque gang and their alien weapons, winning a quick victory. His men defeated, Adonjo Unduque is cornered. He reveals his leverage - a file containing footage of the fight in England and all of the Hellfire Club's data regarding mutants. If they let him and his son Manuel escape in their spaceship, he'll hand it over. If not, it will be broadcast to the world. Cyclops makes the choice to ignore the threat and capture Adonjo, freeing the slaves, though they are too late to save all of Idie's family. Manuel escapes. Interrogating their prisoner, Jean is able to locate the students in the Savage Land.

When Quentin recieves a psychic message from Jean, Morph helps the students lead the mutates in a revolt, drawing the attention of the Reavers as the X-Men storm the fortress, taking on cyborgs, mutates and dinosaurs alike. Seeing the enemy make short work of his defenses, Dr. Lykos takes his own treatment, transforming into the monsterous Sauron. It takes the full combined teamwork of the young mutants and the older team to defeat him. Pierce escapes, but the others return home to the mansion with the liberated mutates and a captive Dr. Lykos. Idie joyfully reunites with her parents, but finds they are still frightened by her power.

The hero's arrival home is caught up in a firestorm of public media attention as the viral data dump has revealed to the whole world the existence of mutants. Dr. McCoy suggests they can still try and cover it up, but Xavier sides with Scott, Jean and Storm, who stand united for going public. The film ends with the trio accompanying Xavier and Dr. McCoy to testify before Congress.

Post Credits: Shaw returns to the headquarters of the Hellfire Club where he is greeted coldly by his ally and rival, Emma Frost, played by Evan Rachel Wood. With mutants going public, they reveal they have to step-up their plans. A peak at their operations reveal hints that they are searching for a long list of famous mutants, including Magneto and Wolverine.

I pieced together a little pitch for an MCU X-Men debut film, if anyone is interested. And a few relevant casting thoughts...

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Tom Wlaschiha as Dr. Karl Lykos/Sauron

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Joey King as Kitty Pryde

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Anthony Carrigan as Morph

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Mandy Patinkin as Dr. Hank McCoy/Beast (I like Beast being a peer to Charles)

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Hoji Fortuna as Manuel Unduque's Father
 
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