Black Panther: Wakanda Forever General Discussion and Speculation Thread

Doubt it, Shuri was snapped as well
Shuri wasn't shown to be snapped in Infinity War. It was just on a computer screen in Endgame. They could easily retcon that by just saying that Wakanda faked her death for some reason.
 
Is she shown walking out of the portal in endgame?
 
Marvel Boss Kevin Feige On ‘Black Panther 2’ Sans Boseman & ‘Black Widow’ Release – Deadline

DEADLINE: It was announced at Disney Investor Day that you would not recast another actor in the role of T’Challa for Black Panther 2 following Chadwick Boseman’s death. Can you tell us more about that? Will this be similar to what was done in Tron where a younger Jeff Bridges was replicated via CG? Or is this a whole different angle on Black Panther 2? There’s been rumors that it will have a female angle.

FEIGE: So much of the comics and that first movie is the world of Wakanda. Wakanda is a place to further explore with characters and different subcultures. This was always and initially the primary focus of the next story. We’re not going to have a CG Chadwick and we’re not recasting T’Challa. Ryan Coogler is working very hard right now on the script with all the respect and love and genius that he has, which gives us great solace, so it was always about furthering the mythology and the inspiration of Wakanda. There’s also the task of honoring and respecting the ongoing learnings and teachings from Chad as well.
 
Yeah, flushed down the toilet.
I am not interested anymore... unless...

...they will make a movie placed during the 5 years gap after the snap and reconsider recasting T'Challa later on.
 
Yeah, flushed down the toilet.
I am not interested anymore... unless...

...they will make a movie placed during the 5 years gap after the snap and reconsider recasting T'Challa later on.
That would be a smart way to go but I'm not sure Cooler would go for it.

I do like the idea of exploring wakanda more but no t'challa has definitely killed some of my interest.

They could of even made a prequel film about t'chaka's black panther which could of explored wakanda and the title character's legacy without upsetting those close to boseman. Have a young actor play a adolescent t'challa.
 
Maybe Daniel Kaluya will get a bigger role. Coogler is producing his new movie Black Juda Messiah and he got a lot of praise. Probably a serious opponent against Chadwick in the Oscar Race
 
Maybe Daniel Kaluya will get a bigger role. Coogler is producing his new movie Black Juda Messiah and he got a lot of praise. Probably a serious opponent against Chadwick in the Oscar Race

Please no, Kaluuya was the biggest disappointment for me in Black Panther. He looked so bored all the movie in compare to Get Out.
 
His role had absolutely no potential. The good roles were take by Chadwick, MBJ and Winston Duke. But Daniel Kaluuya is undoubtably a great actor.
 
I like the idea of the film taking place during The Snap. I'd also be partial to Kevin Cole possibly taking over if not Shuri.
 
Going by the first film and the real life actors, rather than the comics, I feel like Nakia would absolutely make the most sense as ruler of Wakanda. She seemed one of the most mature characters and had better policies than t'Challa in the first film, plus Lupita makes a better lead than Letitia.
 
Going by the first film and the real life actors, rather than the comics, I feel like Nakia would absolutely make the most sense as ruler of Wakanda. She seemed one of the most mature characters and had better policies than t'Challa in the first film, plus Lupita makes a better lead than Letitia.
I never considered this but you're right. Lupita feels like a lead. Letitia feels like a sidekick.
 
Question. Is the Black Panther always king? I know T'Challa and his father were both, but I could have sworn it was implied by T'Challa in Civil War that being both Black Panther and king isn't something that happens everytime.

What if we have a story where Shuri becomes Queen, and Nakia becomes the Black Panther. You would have this interesting dichotomy where the interests of the king and Black Panther don't always mesh, esp since Shuri would almost assuredly be more brash, and Nakia more restrained.

As for how they handle T'Challa's death, I am torn. Part of me thinks they will do it off screen. It is the simpler and perhaps safer option, but does create questions. How did he die? Was it a medical condition? Or does that hit too close to home with Chadwick.

The other option (and this is the one I think Coogler may be leaning towards knowing his strong instincts as a writer to ask hard questions) is the potential thematic advantages of having T'Challa die in the beginning of the film.

What if he dies in a similar manner to his father? Not necessarily in a bombing at a UN meeting, but on a more emotional scale; just like his father, he is at an event that revolves around allowing Wakanda to helps other nations, and at such an event he gets killed.

Just to give an example, perhaps after the Blip, T'Challa led Wakanda on a worldwide effort to help various nations with the sudden humanitarian efforts such an event would require. One such nation is Sokovia, who has had a section of its territory annexed by Latveria, a small bordering country that has emerged over the past five years.

T'Challa brings a large contingent of Wakandans to help the long ailing Sokovia, and when the reclusive leader of Latveria secretly issues his state police to infiltrate and assassinate T'Challa, the plot kicks off.

First off, this provides a thematic parallel to his father, who also died trying to open up Wakanda to the world (albeit in a more minor way). It immediately makes his death less of an afterthought that is just gotten out of the way offscreen, and makes it this dramatic event that kickstarts the plot. Shuri is left as the reigning Queen, and all the tribes mournfully decline to challenge Shuri/Nakia for the title of Black Panther.

Shuri immediately wants revenge against this mysterious Victor Von Doom (who's assassination of T'Challa immediately makes him a reviled villain), while Nakia and maybe Queen Ramonda are more measured, believing that's exactly the game Latveria wants to play.

It sets up the film as a geopolitcal thriller, and the whole "explore Wakandan cultures" aspect comes to the forefront when the various tribes argue amongst each other about what is the right thing to do. The consequences of Wakanda opening up also come to the forefront when Latverian agents infiltrate Wakandan politics and pay off royal and tribal leaders, creating a conspiracy within the Wakandan government.

Some of those political consequences are also very relevant to today, something Coogler did similarly in the first film when it came to the dangers of isolationism, amongst other things.
 
Even though Marvel already went with the political thriller backdrop in the Winter Soldier, I think they'll go that route again and mix in some murder mystery elements (like a Marvel version of Sicario, LA Confidential or Tinker,Tailor, Soldier, Spy)
 
Question. Is the Black Panther always king? I know T'Challa and his father were both, but I could have sworn it was implied by T'Challa in Civil War that being both Black Panther and king isn't something that happens everytime.
It's not 100% consistent even in the comics, but I would say that the best evidence in the movies is that they aren't exclusive because T'Challa appeared to be Black Panther while T'Chaka was still King. This is ambiguous because we technically don't see him wear the suit until after his father's death, but I didn't get the impression he just put it on.
 
T'Challa's line from Civil War suggests that the two aren't always one and the same.

"The Black Panther has been a protector of Wakanda for generations. A mantle passed from warrior to warrior. Now because your friend murdered my father, I also wear the mantle of king. So I ask you, as both warrior and king, how long do you think you can keep your friend safe from me?"

I'm coming around to the idea of M'Baku taking it up.
 
I remember seeing some comic or preview where it showed that T'Challa started being Black Panther around the time Tony revealed himself to be Iron Man to the world. Don't know if it was supposed to be an official MCU thing.

This was it...

Black Panther Prelude
 
Unless and until they got contradicted, those prelude comics are supposed to be MCU canon, so yeah.
 
Rumor...

Thursday, February 04, 2021

Blind Items Revealed #5 - Mr. X

January 28, 2021

Which foreign born breakout star of that period streaming show is the early frontrunner to play this Marvel superhero? It will be an entirely new alter ego character not the one portrayed by the recently deceased actor.

Regé-Jean Page/"Bridgerton"/"Black Panther"/Chadwick Boseman
 
Eh... That'll probably be a nah. Casting a light-skinned actor as the Black Panther probably wouldn't go over well with audiences unless they're gonna try having him as Hunter.
 
Eh... That'll probably be a nah. Casting a light-skinned actor as the Black Panther probably wouldn't go over well with audiences unless they're gonna try having him as Hunter.
More likely he is the Kaspar Cole black panther since the character is biracial.

I never really found Cole that interesting. He exists because the T'Challa black panther comic wasn't selling that great at the time so Christopher Priest and Marvel decided to shake things up with a new Black Panther.

Perhaps they could merge the Hunter and Cole characters. Have Cole be a half Wakandan who grew up with T'Challa and became head of the Hatut Zeraze. Being viewed still as an outsider for being half Wakandan he overcompensates by being uber patriotic/zealous (like Hunter). He is exiled for going too far and becomes a mercenary. He returns when T'Challa dies and becomes the new Black Panther.
 
I trust Marvel and Coogler enough not to give up on this film, but I'm really nervous on how they handle T'Challa either dying or just magically not being around going forward.

Really wish they'd recast.
 
I much prefer the new character idea than going with Shuri as BP, even though that's alot of the online fan preference.

It sounds like a much more intriguing and interesting story option then just saying, " His sister gets the mantle next". There's alot more places you could go with the story.

Now , I don't know the BP comics so this is all new to me, but I like what I'm hearing if this is the case.

Haven't seen Page act before , but he's getting raves ,so acting doesn't seem to be a weakness for him.

Yes, he's biracial and light skinned, but he's still consider Black at least in The U.S., the same way Barrack Obama and Kamala Harris are still considered Black.

Now I can't speak for all the Black community, but being Black myself, I actually don't think his skin tone would be that big a deal with the Black community if he gets the part . He's still Black.
 
Absolutely not to Rege-Jean Page rumor.

You go to the trouble of building a world, rich in pure African people and culture, and then your main actor dies and you replace him with someone who's the opposite of what he was? Nah.

It just adds to the whole Hollywood colorism agenda too.
 
If we’re talking recasting (which I still think could happen eventually even if Marvel is saying it won’t), here’s a snowball in hell choice. Abubakar Salim (Raised by Wolves). This guy voiced Bayek in Assassin’s Creed Origins and his accent in it was so similar to Boseman’s T’Challa accent that I initially thought it WAS Boseman. That might not mean anything but I think he has a good look for the role.

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