Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

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Where’s the fun in that?

But I still stand by what I said about Bruce and Clark immediately talking to each other like they’re friends was rushed in order to get to Doomsday. Also, it still makes no sense that Superman would let this unhinged psycho go save Martha when Supes could do it. He should have been like thank you for the gesture Bruce but it’s quicker for me (and I don’t really trust you with this).
 
Where’s the fun in that?

But I still stand by what I said about Bruce and Clark immediately talking to each other like they’re friends was rushed in order to get to Doomsday. Also, it still makes no sense that Superman would let this unhinged psycho go save Martha when Supes could do it. He should have been like thank you for the gesture Bruce but it’s quicker for me (and I don’t really trust you with this).

They didn't talk like friends. They spoke with civility. That's it. Superman didn't save Martha because he had to deal with Lex.
 
Where’s the fun in that?

But I still stand by what I said about Bruce and Clark immediately talking to each other like they’re friends was rushed in order to get to Doomsday. Also, it still makes no sense that Superman would let this unhinged psycho go save Martha when Supes could do it. He should have been like thank you for the gesture Bruce but it’s quicker for me (and I don’t really trust you with this).
That's what sets Superman apart from others (for example, Steve Lombard at Daily Planet wouldn't trust Batman as much to save his mother), as it was shown in MoS, Superman has to take the leap of faith first.
 
Where’s the fun in that?

But I still stand by what I said about Bruce and Clark immediately talking to each other like they’re friends was rushed in order to get to Doomsday. Also, it still makes no sense that Superman would let this unhinged psycho go save Martha when Supes could do it. He should have been like thank you for the gesture Bruce but it’s quicker for me (and I don’t really trust you with this).

It would be hilarious though if Superman told Batman to handle the energy anomaly that was happening in Metropolis instead.

Batman: “....dude, I’m just a guy in a ****ing suit.”
 
Batman: “....dude, I’m just a guy in a ****ing suit.”

i'm sure that's what on his mind in this scene

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Bruce should know after spending 20 years fighting crime that there have been dangerous people who can love their child, parent or significant other...genuinely love them...and still be capable of shooting 60 ppl in one room. Superman can have a mother, love her and still be capable of wiping out thousands or millions.

Valid point. However Bruce's hate towards Superman was definitely misguided as he realises, and Bruce probably still has some reservations over Superman's(or even Wonder Woman's or the other metahumans) power. But he wont kill them, and that's the point. Contingencies? Sure. The killing part was just him going down a dark path.

Also I do think they are definitely not friends now. Bruce saw Clark's sacrifice. But I want their relationship to be explored further in JL. If its not, I'll be kinda disappointed, as I was with the TC. Because there's a lot of potential there, and its an unfinished story. If they brush that aside in JL, and are friends, I will be the first to agree with you that they rushed the friendship thing. Lets see.
 
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Where’s the fun in that?

But I still stand by what I said about Bruce and Clark immediately talking to each other like they’re friends was rushed in order to get to Doomsday. Also, it still makes no sense that Superman would let this unhinged psycho go save Martha when Supes could do it. He should have been like thank you for the gesture Bruce but it’s quicker for me (and I don’t really trust you with this).

I love BvS but I agree it’s rushed, as I’ve said before BvS should have been two 2 hour & 20-30 minute movies:

The first one ‘Batman v Superman’ about Lex manipulating the pair into fighting each other with a reluctant team up at the end with them taking on Metallo and/or someone. End it with the pair deciding they’re best working together to expose Lex. With this concept too we really could have spent more time with Superman as a hero early on before the media starts turning on him. Heck just take some of those great moments from the prequel comics like Supes saving a train, Batman taking out Firefly and so on.

Then the follow up ‘Batman Superman Dawn og Justice’ is more of a Trinity film with Batman & Superman working together to bring down Lex plus a villain or two that’s helping Lex. This introduces WW as it did & while I still think it’s too early to kill Supes given what he wanted to do in JL then leave that as it is too but at least we’d have had more time with him.

I think doing this would have suited Snyder’s sensibilities more too cause sometimes he needs more time to flesh things out.
 
Then the follow up ‘Batman Superman Dawn og Justice’ is more of a Trinity film with Batman & Superman working together to bring down Lex plus a villain or two that’s helping Lex.
This doesnt make much sense to me, basically sounds like a JL movie. I think they did the smart thing, clubbing those two things together. Its like me saying there should have been two different novels, one dealing with Batman/Joker, and the other dealing with Batman/Superman rather than the single TDKR. Its more elegant when you tie it in together. Besides, having 2 films with the same villain(Lex)? Nah.

I was thinking about this. People always used to say DC was rushing compared to MCU. But if you look at it, the Marvel Phase 1 movies including Avengers amount to 12hrs runtime. DC movies excluding Suicide Squad(MOS, BVS UC, WW, ZSJL) amount to ~12hrs as well.Also thinks like deaths,are only rushed if you think they planned on doing like 15 films. They didnt, it was a limited 3-5 movie arc. If this was rushed, so was Gandalf's death in LOTR.

I really like the birth-death-rebirth arc wrapped neatly in one trilogy. Birth of superman-death and deconstruction of Superman-Rebirth of Superman and the age of heroes. I like that concept. I also would have liked BvS to be longer and include more stuff from the prequel comics, like an LOTR extended edition, make it 3.5hrs on home media lol. But we can keep fan fictioning movies all day, even with all my favourite movies. I think you might have wanted a World's finest rather than BvS, thats why you are trying to break down the story like that...which is fine. At the end of the day, we have to judge the movies for what they are, not what we want them to be.

Anyway, enough discussion about BvS. Lets get back to JL. I'm really excited to see what they do with Bruce Wayne in this movie, what will be his arc, how his character is interacting with all the heroes. Also I'm interested to see what the Robin tease will be. Perhaps Wonder Woman asks him about the suit and who that was and he replies "He was a good soldier... but the war goes on".
 
The characters were here before Snyder and they'll be here after Snyder. No one figure is bigger than the characters themselves, the man himself has even acknowledged this many times. Certain fans might not be thrilled with the way things have gone, but you're never gonna see me give up interest in stuff like this. I'm still in here discussing the director's cut because I'll always have a personal stake in the characters, regardless of my feelings on previous efforts.

Anyone giving up on DC movies, after all thats already happened, just seems silly to me. I really do think we have already been through the worst of it. If you love these characters above all, surely you'll find something down the pipeline to get excited for.

This is a very 'fair' view, BUT boy WB really have 'tested the waters' on this over the last 3-4 years. They have behaved appallingly, shown little understanding of how working relationships develop and a lack of foresight or hand on the rudder. I make no apologies for being a massive fan of what Snyder has brought to the DCEU and even less an apology for supporting him in how he's been treated (and his family) and can only hope he returns for more after the ZS JL cut in March.
 
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Where’s the fun in that?

But I still stand by what I said about Bruce and Clark immediately talking to each other like they’re friends was rushed in order to get to Doomsday. Also, it still makes no sense that Superman would let this unhinged psycho go save Martha when Supes could do it. He should have been like thank you for the gesture Bruce but it’s quicker for me (and I don’t really trust you with this).

the only thing that's awkward was Superman calling his mother "Martha",in that moment... except for that,the whole scene make sense
Bruce tellin him he gonna save his Mom aint problematic ,he's Batman after all ,he can do it & we have the great warehouse sequence to prove it, i think sometimes we just need to enjoy the stuff and stop nitpicking for the sake of Nitpicking.
, its cool to not forget we are watchin a Super Hero Movie,where questionnable stuff happen all around,writers,filmmakers arent perfect, sometimes u watch a film and A Random Rat magically appear to bring back the Hero that gonna help advance the Plot, u know what movie im talkin about.
 
This doesnt make much sense to me, basically sounds like a JL movie. I think they did the smart thing, clubbing those two things together. Its like me saying there should have been two different novels, one dealing with Batman/Joker, and the other dealing with Batman/Superman rather than the single TDKR. Its more elegant when you tie it in together. Besides, having 2 films with the same villain(Lex)? Nah.

I was thinking about this. People always used to say DC was rushing compared to MCU. But if you look at it, the Marvel Phase 1 movies including Avengers amount to 12hrs runtime. DC movies excluding Suicide Squad(MOS, BVS UC, WW, ZSJL) amount to ~12hrs as well.Also thinks like deaths,are only rushed if you think they planned on doing like 15 films. They didnt, it was a limited 3-5 movie arc. If this was rushed, so was Gandalf's death in LOTR.

I really like the birth-death-rebirth arc wrapped neatly in one trilogy. Birth of superman-death and deconstruction of Superman-Rebirth of Superman and the age of heroes. I like that concept. I also would have liked BvS to be longer and include more stuff from the prequel comics, like an LOTR extended edition, make it 3.5hrs on home media lol. But we can keep fan fictioning movies all day, even with all my favourite movies. I think you might have wanted a World's finest rather than BvS, thats why you are trying to break down the story like that...which is fine. At the end of the day, we have to judge the movies for what they are, not what we want them to be.

Anyway, enough discussion about BvS. Lets get back to JL. I'm really excited to see what they do with Bruce Wayne in this movie, what will be his arc, how his character is interacting with all the heroes. Also I'm interested to see what the Robin tease will be. Perhaps Wonder Woman asks him about the suit and who that was and he replies "He was a good soldier... but the war goes on".

The Dawn or Justice sequel would be a Trinity movie that also set up the ideas of other metas. I still think BvS tried to cram to much in that would have been better spread over two films. We’ll have to agree to disagree.
 
Sure, but I find it funny that fans dissect every scene in CBM’s but when it’s a nitpick of their fav...you hear the good ol “eh sometimes it’s just a movie and you gotta try to enjoy instead of nitpick”.
....if we nitpick every CBM its gonna be problematic for everyone favorites like Nolan and the Russo Brothers . So we should instead enjoy the stuff they gives us.
its like the whole fight between Superman & Zod and the aftermath of the destruction of Metropolis many people Died on theses Buildings, and Snyder didnt referenced it enough ON BVS, that's problematic on his part, after the batfleck scene in the begining there's a Huge Gap..but hey...
 
The Dawn or Justice sequel would be a Trinity movie that also set up the ideas of other metas. I still think BvS tried to cram to much in that would have been better spread over two films. We’ll have to agree to disagree.

i agree, they should've done Trinity movie instead of rushing into JL. heck i just want Trinity movie lol
 
I think Zack knew WBs feelings and felt he needed to “rush” or fast track concept development in order to introduce characters and concepts so he could do it his way before WB flipped and changed direction. One reason there is so much material available for ZSJL.
 
Not going to lie, I'm starting to dislike whenever Snyder responds with "soon" to a question on Vero because that can range from this week to one month with how vague it is. :funny:
 
I thought we weren't going to discuss BvS anymore...

:o :hehe:

I also see we are at the part of the discussion where WB is the devil and Snyder is Jesus Incarnate sacrificing his reputation for the viewing pleasure of the masses!

:o:o;)

In case the sarcasm emoticon wasn't enough...this whole post is to be taken with tongue firmly planted within my cheek!

We really do need some news...and Zack Snyder screams to us...

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