The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[REDophile]

It would be one thing if he’s not a character with much of his own world. But he is. He has a city with a parade and museum dedicated to him. A rogues gallery like Batman. A ‘Flash family’. Yeah that’s already been explored in the TV show which is prob. Why WB and the Muschiettis don’t seem as focused on that. But it was explored in a corny CW way not an epic blockbuster way.
All the Marvel characters got their solo outing and it made the team up movies better. Because it made ppl care more about who the different Avengers were.

 

[X Knight]

I honestly feel the sole purpose for this Flash movie still going forward is so they can use "Flashpoint" as an excuse to hit the giant reset button and reboot their messy convoluted film universe that was created out of their incompetence and utter lack of planning.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Same with Keaton's return. It's all been very underwhelming.

Probably terrified he would have bailed on negotiations. It's possible that if last year was normal and Comic-Con went ahead Keaton could have been introduced briefly in Hall H.

Both Affleck and our new Supergirl came with a write up/praise from Muschietti when the news hit the trades, but we were just told that Keaton would have ''a substantial part''. Weird.

 

[Frodo]

Well, There are lots of reasons we're where we're at now.

That said, it's been pretty clear for a while Flashpoint was gonna be more like what Captain America Civil War was , i.e. basically an Avengers film.

Yeah, Cap was the focus to an extent , but really it was an Avenger's film which served to introduce Spiderman, Black Panther, and to bring several of the Avengers characters together.

WB abandoned the idea of a straight up solo , Barry Allen centered, Flash film, a while ago .

Whether they should have done that or not is another issue, but fandom has known that's been off the table for a while now.

And in this case, let's be honest, fandom really hasn't shown a great love or affection for Miller's Flash, and the GA really isn't banging down the door for a Miller solo Flash film. It wasn't as if his version of the character generated interest in his future exploits the way Gal's WW did from BvS.

Heck, there were alot of fans who were willing to show him the door not too long ago, so we can't act as if a solo Miller Flash film was universally wanted.

Again, not saying how what WB is doing is the right or correct way, but I'm pointing it that there hasn't been a great ground swell of love for this Flash from Fandom in general, let alone the general audience.

So, I can see why WB may have come to the conclusion that this version of the Flash can't carry a film alone... at this point. I know that may make alot of fans mad, but I think that's what they're thinking.

Ultimately, I think Barry Allen is still gonna be the central character who sets all these things in motion, so to that extent , its his film. He's our guide into the multiverse. It's gonna deal with his Mother's death , presumably , and his attempt to change events. Beyond that, it's speculation.

 

[Frodo]

Y'all worried about how they announce castings? Lol it's not that big of a deal

I'm actually not really worried about how they announce it, which puts me in the minority.

I grew up in a time when you didn't have scoop sites, and insider sources, and didn't get any indication of who was going to cast for which part before it was announced. At least, not to the extent of today's standards.

You basically just found out in a newspaper , in a magazine, or on the news with everyone else. And then, there may be a big deal about some castings like Keaton for Batman in 87, but alot of the time , the news just showed up without any fanfare. It wasn't really big news when Jackman was cast as Wolverine, for example.

Alot of fans have become used to getting some indication before hand of what's coming down the pike, and this casting has thrown alot of fans for a loop.

But, I don't really worry that much about how they announce the casting since the film isn't gonna be out for at least another year anyway, and the GA will see who's in it once they see the first trailers.

 

[REDophile]

Whether they should have done that or not
And in this case, let's be honest, fandom really hasn't shown a great love or affection for Miller's Flash, and the GA really isn't banging down the door for a Miller solo Flash film. It wasn't as if his version of the character generated interest in his future exploits the way Gal's WW did from BvS.

Heck, there were alot of fans who were willing to show him the door not too long ago, so we can't act as if a solo Miller Flash film was universally wanted.

Again, not saying how what WB is doing is the right or correct way, but I'm pointing it that there hasn't been a great ground swell of love for this Flash from Fandom in general, let alone the general audience.

But for WB, ppl generally liked Wonder Woman and Aquaman or at least they were successful enough. BvS and Justice League were flops. De-Snyderizing the characters was working. & if there is anyone from JL that needs reinventing and to be explored more to get ppl to care more about them its Miller’s Flash.

 

[Vaibow]

I feel they will use this movie to redirect the DCEU in a way that's its them, trouble is, it needs to be damn good for it all to come together and also... what if that's not the directors goal... is he just another pawn? I get vibes that ensemble movies for the DCEU just even't worked as they hoped... BvS, SS, JL and BoP.

Honestly, how much life is truly left in this current franchise.. Affleck is out, Mamoa and Gadot seem fine to continue, Cavill too but there is radio silence from both parties.

We have SS.02 soon, with a spin off series.

If WB were smart...they would have a plan for Superman, Supergirl, Shazam!, Aquaman, WW, Flash moving forward after this.

In an ideal world this flash movie introduces alternate time lines, where Batman V Superman/JL never happened... Keaton 89 is still active with a BM beyond vibe, there is a female kryptonian in stasis somewhere waiting to be recovered after 18k years - it all comes together in the end where we say bye to Batfleck, the time lines of DCEU and 89 merge together and we are left with a new, prime DCEU where there is one superman, he's friendly and doesn't sulk... batman was active way before in the 80s and now leads a bat family type operation, WW is still active as is AM and they are all friends.

So moving forward we get a solo superman, WW, AM, Shazam! movie then Black Adam, a batman beyond movie, green lantern.

The Snyder verse is an alternate time line now that could have been.

Sheesh... what a mess it is in really.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I honestly feel the sole purpose for this Flash movie still going forward is so they can use "Flashpoint" as an excuse to hit the giant reset button and reboot their messy convoluted film universe that was created out of their incompetence and utter lack of planning.

I'm certain that's what it is.

 

[REDophile]

It just feels weird b/c fit so long the only DC movies we ever got were Batman or Superman. Flash was in development hell for a long time. Now WB finally has the chance to do a Flash movie and they are making it more about Batman and kryptonians.

 

[emielaen]

But for WB, ppl generally liked Wonder Woman and Aquaman or at least they were successful enough. BvS and Justice League were flops. De-Snyderizing the characters was working. & if there is anyone from JL that needs reinventing and to be explored more to get ppl to care more about them its Miller’s Flash.

Moving in a lighter direction than Snyder's films is clearly where we are, I think for Superman's case honestly, but that can still be a wide range of things, as we can see. And we know they aren't afraid of making films with totally different vibes and approaches altogether. That's their future.

But the darker **** isn't stopping. Joker made a $B and The Batman might end up being narratively darker than Snyder's stuff while thematically being deeper (I just think he's a much better storyteller) thus amplifying those darker aspects.

I expect plenty humor out of Flash, but it also needs to be emotional, epic, clever and sprawling to fully capture it's premise imo. Idk what to expect, but it has potential to be a pretty inventive origin story.

 

[emielaen]

Lol all of the clear plans they're setting up and everyone here dismisses them

 

[emc5466]

I honestly feel the sole purpose for this Flash movie still going forward is so they can use "Flashpoint" as an excuse to hit the giant reset button and reboot their messy convoluted film universe that was created out of their incompetence and utter lack of planning.

That’s basically the only reason this is getting made.

 

[REDophile]

Moving in a lighter direction than Snyder's films is clearly where we are, I think for Superman's case honestly, but that can still be a wide range of things, as we can see. And we know they aren't afraid of making films with totally different vibes and approaches altogether. That's their future.

But the darker **** isn't stopping. Joker made a $B and The Batman might end up being narratively darker than Snyder's stuff while thematically being deeper (I just think he's a much better storyteller) thus amplifying those darker aspects.

I expect plenty humor out of Flash, but it also needs to be emotional, epic, clever and sprawling to fully capture it's premise imo. Idk what to expect, but it has potential to be a pretty inventive origin story.

Yeah I get that its not a one tone/size fits all for every DC character. There’s just been all this drama and negativity going around about the Snyder films. But WW, Aquaman and Shazam effectively did away with that negativity. More of what I would expect from The Flash, because that has been working.
All this uproar about the Snyder cut, focus more on what James Wan has in store for Aquaman, David Sandberg with Shazam, Patty Jenkins WW etc. Because that’s where WB/DC has been winning.

 

[emielaen]

Their future is pretty bright, but there’s still a cynical tone to everything they do from a good chunk of people, even DC fans, justifiably so. But it’s funny bc they’re clearly setting up plans and following them through rn even with their mishaps, but people still **** on them for making BvS and not being like the MCU. Lol

It’s all either some big conspiracy about retconning something bc WB sucks, or it’s all an agenda to usurp Snyder bc he apparently made DC. Lol

 

[DlAMONDZ]

I honestly feel the sole purpose for this Flash movie still going forward is so they can use "Flashpoint" as an excuse to hit the giant reset button and reboot their messy convoluted film universe that was created out of their incompetence and utter lack of planning.

I see this sentiment a lot but what makes ya'll think WB cares so much about continuity that they'd go to such great lengths to fix it? They didn't have a problem with WW84 despite it breaking canon in many ways

Bringing in Keaton is a smart business decision. Especially if this leads to a Batman Beyond flick

 

[REDophile]

Smart Batman business decision. But smart Flash business decision, I dunno, when there had never been a solo film dedicated to The Flash. If it were a sequel or three-quel, that would be different. For WB the business of DC solo films changing the Snyderverse has been mostly working.
Best to have non-Flash crossover characters as a spice, like in Shazam and most MCU movies, rather than a sauce like in BvS or JL.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

A pessimist would say the abundance of other heroes demonstrates a lack of faith from WB in the character and/or Ezra Miller as the lead.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Also a realist would say it!

 

[REDophile]

A pessimist would say the abundance of other heroes demonstrates a lack of faith from WB in the character and/or Ezra Miller as the lead.

Yeah. Its all spec @ this point. It hasn’t even started filming yet. But based on the casting announcements so far its sounding like The Flash in name only.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I saw Perks of Being a Wallflower again and Ezra was so funny and charming. If he could dial some of his sensibilities back and give a more subdued performance, then I’ll support the guy 100%

 

[REDophile]

Ezra is way more Wally West than Barry Allen.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Unless everything about this movie is a corporate mandate, I expect Muschietti to change up his personality

You can tell Ezra's Barry was a casualty of WB's reaction to BvS. WB wanted everything after that to be lighter and funnier and Ezra was the most capable and most suited for comedy relief so that's what they made him

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Smart Batman business decision. But smart Flash business decision, I dunno, when there had never been a solo film dedicated to The Flash. If it were a sequel or three-quel, that would be different. For WB the business of DC solo films changing the Snyderverse has been mostly working.
Best to have non-Flash crossover characters as a spice, like in Shazam and most MCU movies, rather than a sauce like in BvS or JL.

My biggest pet peeve is the multiverse angle. If the intent is to use so that directors can do their own thing then this movie is a complete waste of time. WB has been doing exactly that for the last 3/4 years without the need for a multiverse. And if the intent is to also "fix" the current non existing canon then it's even more pointless

 

[REDophile]

My biggest pet peeve is the multiverse angle. If the intent is to use so that directors can do their own thing then this movie is a complete waste of time. WB has been doing exactly that for the last 3/4 years without the need for a multiverse. And if the intent is to also "fix" the current non existing canon then it's even more pointless

Yeah I dunno if the multiverse is more the idea of Muschietti or WB.
If I’m WB I’m thinkin’, James Wan just did Aquaman and David Sandberg Shazam. Both of those did well. Maybe that’s how we win with DC, in-house horror directors. It has a history of working all the way back to Richard Donner on Superman. Muschietti can be another one.
Muschietti I guess is more interested in a multiverse, Flashpoint-style film than one more about The Flash. I mean, he put Batman and Superman references in It.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Any idea when filming starts? I'm hopeful we might get a costume reveal like they did for Man of Steel, Joker and The Batman.