WandaVision WandaVision SPOILERS Thread

[Bren]

Yeah I guess. After ep8 she's clearly not the villain since she had no control or intent.

 

[Albert1981]

But she IS aware of what's going on and hurting people. And has continued on as before. The showrunners are running out of time to absolve Wanda of her actions.

 

[samsnee]

Definitely will see you everyone again. But it will feel rushed at 40 minutes since 10 minutes are credits.

It’s lame that the Netflix shows are actually a hour long and 13 episodes. Meanwhile this series is amazing and we only get 9 episodes at 30-40 minutes each.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Definitely will see you everyone again. But it will feel rushed at 40 minutes since 10 minutes are credits.

It’s lame that the Netflix shows are actually a hour long and 13 episodes. Meanwhile this series is amazing and we only get 9 episodes at 30-40 minutes each.

But is that more up to the showrunner then D+ telling them they need to stay below a certain timeframe?

 

[liveman789]

I really don't get the concerns over the last episode potentially being rushed. Pretty much every plot thread has been set up for its climax to intertwine with the others.

42 minutes is more than most (if not all?) of the past MCU film climaxes. Not to mention we know not everything will be resolved by the end given this is a set up for NWH and MoM.

 

[haclyon]

I don't usually engage in spoilers but peoples expectations on YouTube irks me quite a lot so here we go.

Dr. Strange will not be involved. I don't know why people think he will be since he has not even been referenced at all during the show. Imagine the writers spent all this time building up Wanda and Monica's characters only for somebody not connected to them or this show at all showing up and saving the day in the final episode. That would feel cheap but I know a lot of people online will be angry that this won't happen before the credits starts rolling.

Agness is not a "villain". What was the most evil thing she has actually done? Make Wanda face her traumas she supressed memories and revealing her powers to her? Yes she killed the dog but what was the result of that exactly? Wanda confronting the finality of death to her children.

Also If she wanted Wanda or her children dead she had plenty of chances to do it and you won't be seeing the big bad fighting with the protagonist at the beginning of the finale.

Vision will face Vision as everybody expects and Monica will confront Howard (now Monica has some superpowers vs somebody who doesn't ... sounds little unfair now does it?)

but no Howard is not Mephisto

Every main protagonist needs to have a character arc. So remember what the theme of the series is about grief and escapism. The only logical way for the main character who is escaping grief and reality to grow is to finally accept it and let go of the world she created. (Monica already spelled this out that Wanda is the problem and the solution)

Ep 8 showed you what she wanted for closure... Vision's body to bury and she needs closure for the story to end so guess what she will have in ep. 9

but it can't be just be a sad ending now does it? There needs to be something or a couple of "things" that remain in Wanda's life after she dispels the hex to give her motivation (and possible source of future conflict)

Oh and "Pietro" only needs a scene to explain where he came from.

Ok venting over (see you next week)

 

[liveman789]

Man, I'm excited to learn who Howard is.

 

[haclyon]

Oh final thing are you guys really sure that Wanda is the one who will mess up the Multiverse?

I'm not sure but I've heard that there might be a show coming in a couple weeks that deals directly with the Multiverse where things can go crazy.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I don't usually engage in spoilers but peoples expectations on YouTube irks me quite a lot so here we go.

Dr. Strange will not be involved. I don't know why people think he will be since he has not even been referenced at all during the show. Imagine the writers spent all this time building up Wanda and Monica's characters only for somebody not connected to them or this show at all showing up and saving the day in the final episode. That would feel cheap but I know a lot of people online will be angry that this won't happen before the credits starts rolling.

Agness is not a "villain". What was the most evil thing she has actually done? Make Wanda face her traumas she supressed memories and revealing her powers to her? Yes she killed the dog but what was the result of that exactly? Wanda confronting the finality of death to her children.

Also If she wanted Wanda or her children dead she had plenty of chances to do it and you won't be seeing the big bad fighting with the protagonist at the beginning of the finale.

Vision will face Vision as everybody expects and Monica will confront Howard (now Monica has some superpowers vs somebody who doesn't ... sounds little unfair now does it?)

but no Howard is not Mephisto

Every main protagonist needs to have a character arc. So remember what the theme of the series is about grief and escapism. The only logical way for the main character who is escaping grief and reality to grow is to finally accept it and let go of the world she created. (Monica already spelled this out that Wanda is the problem and the solution)

Ep 8 showed you what she wanted for closure... Vision's body to bury and she needs closure for the story to end so guess what she will have in ep. 9

but it can't be just be a sad ending now does it? There needs to be something or a couple of "things" that remain in Wanda's life after she dispels the hex to give her motivation (and possible source of future conflict)

Oh and "Pietro" only needs a scene to explain where he came from.

Ok venting over (see you next week)

I agree with you. The way Agatha was talking at the end didn’t give me “big bad villain” vibes it feels like the Scarlet Witch was foretold in a prophecy that Agatha is aware of. Possibly in the opening scene she will explain more about what Wanda is destined to destroy or do or perhaps she is the conduit for a malevolent force to enter “our” reality.

 

[NHawk19]

Agatha said she was supposed to be a legend. I have to re-watch but did she say "the" Scarlet Witch or "a" Scarlet Witch.

Maybe she's not the big bad villian in this . . . . yet. Unless she's looking to steal the magic like she did in the opening. Either way she's got the kids by the necks and Monica is off someplace at the end of this one.

Think Wanda can blend White Vision with the one she created in the hex so he can exist outside it?

It is interesting how at this moment there's no real clear big bad. It's just that a heart broken Wanda did something she didn't even know she could do. Then that thing got the attention of some pretty powerful other people.

They haven't explained Nexxus though and they have a lot to tie in during episode 9.

 

[NHawk19]

Double post not sure why.

 

[metaphysician]

How is she not a villain by any standards (based on what we currently know)?

Which "she"? Wanda? Simply put: rolling a 1 on your skill check does not make you a villain.

 

[writer0327]

Agatha may not be the big bad, but she killed Sparky. Villain.

 

[Zarex]

But she IS aware of what's going on and hurting people. And has continued on as before. The showrunners are running out of time to absolve Wanda of her actions.

I'm hoping Wanda does not get absolution for her actions. Her penalty will (probably) be losing her husband and kids and then having to battle extra dimensional demons alongside an arrogant wizard. Out of grief she did a bad thing, just like she has done before. Having the good guys do crappy things on occasion makes them more human, even crazy powerful legendary witches.

Agatha may not be the big bad, but she killed Sparky. Villain.

For all we know Good Boy Sparky is a transmogrified carpet beetle. But my guess is Sparky is Mr. Scratchy and also Agatha's cat, Ebony.

 

[metaphysician]

Agatha may not be the big bad, but she killed Sparky. Villain.

Honestly, I feel like most of the "Agatha might not be the villain" arguments are based in either presumptions from the ( 616 ) comics, or out of a wish fulfillment that Wanda be the villain. The show as it exists has been pretty unambiguous about Agatha being a sadistic monster who wields cruelty and lies.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Said this in another thread but I think that Wanda isn’t actually responsible for her actions... the Scarlet Witch is. I believe SW/chaos magic is an actual evil entity like Parallax was to Hal Jordan. It hid inside Wanda for decades until it was able to overcome her and control her. Wanda believes that she’s in control of her actions but it’s actually the entity. Wanda’s only hope is to be able to overcome and tame the entity (though not full destroy it because if she did that she would lose her powers).

I feel like the clues are all there; Wanda’s vision of herself in the comic accurate SW costume could indicate that the SW is actually another being living inside her. I think they want us to assume that was just Wanda having a prescient vision of her future self, but I think that it was Wanda seeing the entity living within her. It looks like her because it doesn’t have a body and just assumes her appearance. But it’s not her.

We also had Monica’s line that Wanda is the problem and the solution. There has to be a reason beyond just compassion and the fact that Wanda has been one of the good guys up until this point that Monica isn’t viewing her as a villain here.

Additionally, if you watch the scene where Wanda unleashes her power and turns the vacant lot into I Love Lucy Land, she doesn’t appear to be in control. It looks like the chaos magic is just using her as a conduit to release itself; like she had been trying (perhaps subconsciously) to hold it all in and simply couldn’t contain it anymore.

 

[haclyon]

Honestly, I feel like most of the "Agatha might not be the villain" arguments are based in either presumptions from the ( 616 ) comics, or out of a wish fulfillment that Wanda be the villain. The show as it exists has been pretty unambiguous about Agatha being a sadistic monster who wields cruelty and lies.

Well I guess it was all just convenience then that the evil witch was the only one to fully snap Wanda out her fantasy.

Also I guess she's pretty dumb for letting Wanda out when she had her trapped in the basement under her control.

 

[RiXi]

People seem to think Wanda will wreck the multiverse by the finale. But, this show takes place before Far From Home. And in that movie everything looked fine.

 

[GuestStar2004]

People seem to think Wanda will wreck the multiverse by the finale. But, this show takes place before Far From Home. And in that movie everything looked fine.

To the untrained eye maybe. but then no one said wrecking the multiverse was gonna have any particular result.

JK Simmons as JJ might be a result of the Multiverse.

 

[Deck Rickard]

It’s also possible that whatever happens here is WHY Fury/Talos thought people had come over from the Multiverse. I know he said it was the snap but he could have just been conflating the two.

 

[Zarex]

Honestly, I feel like most of the "Agatha might not be the villain" arguments are based in either presumptions from the ( 616 ) comics, or out of a wish fulfillment that Wanda be the villain. The show as it exists has been pretty unambiguous about Agatha being a sadistic monster who wields cruelty and lies.

She's a tough old crone, no doubt, which is consistent with her 616 characterization. But if you add up all the wrongs committed by Agatha (murdered her attempted murderers, killed a dog/insect, created Fietro, messed up a magic trick, tricked Vision into leaving the bubble, leashed the kids) she still comes in waaaaay behind Wanda and her keeping a town hostage for an extended period of time. And Agatha cried at Vision's emotional speech! That's gotta count for something!

I'm still thinking that the show ends with Wanda going off to Witch School to train with Agatha. We shall see.

 

[haclyon]

She's a tough old crone, no doubt, which is consistent with her 616 characterization. But if you add up all the wrongs committed by Agatha (murdered her attempted murderers, killed a dog/insect, created Fietro, messed up a magic trick, tricked Vision into leaving the bubble, leashed the kids) she still comes in waaaaay behind Wanda and her keeping a town hostage for an extended period of time. And Agatha cried at Vision's emotional speech! That's gotta count for something!

If Agatha is a villain then she's not good at her job

She has been out-villained by Wanda and she is more successful than the good guys in getting Wanda to snap out of her self induced fantasy.

 

[Da-Scribe]

She's a tough old crone, no doubt, which is consistent with her 616 characterization. But if you add up all the wrongs committed by Agatha (murdered her attempted murderers, killed a dog/insect, created Fietro, messed up a magic trick, tricked Vision into leaving the bubble, leashed the kids) she still comes in waaaaay behind Wanda and her keeping a town hostage for an extended period of time. And Agatha cried at Vision's emotional speech! That's gotta count for something!

I'm still thinking that the show ends with Wanda going off to Witch School to train with Agatha. We shall see.

This right here. Someone has to teach Wanda how to control her powers. I fully expect that Agatha becoming Wanda's mentor will serve as something of a redemption arc, even though she really hasn't been all that villainous frankly.

 

[WatchProtect]

I mean If anyone is gonna teach her how to use her powers its probably the Wizard who's film she's about to costar in

 

[Zarex]

This right here. Someone has to teach Wanda how to control her powers. I fully expect that Agatha becoming Wanda's mentor will serve as something of a redemption arc, even though she really hasn't been all that villainous frankly.

I and pretty much every other poster at one point was thinking Strange or Wong were going to come by in the last episode to hand Wanda a scholarship to Kamar Taj. But what the hell are the wizards gonna teach her that a centuries old witch can't? Those glowy hand thingies are cool I guess, but wouldn't you really rather learn how to turn a bug into a bird?

I even have the final dialogue figured out. Agatha offers to train Wanda and she accepts. Agatha says "This looks like the beginning of a beautiful friendship." and gets a blank stare from Wanda. "Humphrey Bogart? Casablanca? Not ringing a bell?" says Agatha "Kiddo, we've got to get you off of those sitcoms."