Fantastic Four General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Detective Conan]

I can imagine Doom could be mentioned in Black Panther 2 or Doctor Strange 2.

Doom is rumored to be the villain of BP2 actually.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Doom is rumored to be the villain of BP2 actually.

Is this a credible rumor or just: “Hey, this would be a cool place to bring Doom in.”?

 

[Detective Conan]

Is this a credible rumor or just: “Hey, this would be a cool place to bring Doom in.”?

Well...Charles Murphy(same dude who I posted a few pages back accurately leaked the Marvel release dates before it was confirmed among other things) was the first one to report this. And he’s usually quite reliable, and he was backed up by Fandomwire.

I don’t consider Fandomwire all that reliable, however, it’s pretty telling they’re hearing the same things. The story could be proven false though.

Actually, if Victor does make his MCU debut in the Black Panther sequel how would you feel about that? Are you fine with Doom being used for something outside FF? I think, if this story is true, that would be a really fresh way to use the character that has never been done before and going off how Killmonger was handled(brilliant) I think Coogler could do Doom justice.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well...Charles Murphy(same dude who I posted a few pages back accurately leaked the Marvel release dates before it was confirmed among other things) was the first one to report this. And he’s usually quite reliable, and he was backed up by Fandomwire.

I don’t consider Fandomwire all that reliable, however, it’s pretty telling they’re hearing the same things. The story could be proven false though.

Actually, if Victor does make his MCU debut in the Black Panther sequel how would you feel about that? Are you fine with Doom being used for something outside FF? I think, if this story is true, that would be a really fresh way to use the character that has never been done before and going off how Killmonger was handled(brilliant) I think Coogler could do Doom justice.

My hope would be that if Doom is used in something other than FF, they still link Reed clearly to Doom.

So maybe Reed and Doom could both be introduced in BP2.

A pre-powers Reed could be working in Wakanda and when Doom shows up he could even provide some context “Hey, I know this guy. We went to college together, but I haven’t seem him since the accident...”

Marvel needs to keep the Reed/Doom relationship and rivalry a key part of the MCU. As long as they make an effort to maintain that link I’m fine with them using Doom in other stories.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Doom is rumored to be the villain of BP2 actually.

Not according to this video:

 

[Detective Conan]

Not according to this video:

That actually lines up with FandomWire’s report actually. They did report that Namor is in the movie but Doctor Doom will be the one orchestrating the Alantis/Wakanda war from behind the scenes and will be the overall main bad guy for the film.

Deep-sea Wakandan divers, will uncover the lost city of Atlantis. Black Panther 2 will feature the war of two hidden societies, Wakanda vs Atlantis. This will prompt the MCU debut of fan-favorite character Namor the Sub-Mariner.

We’re told a big portion of the film will be underwater, which production was already preparing rigs and costumes for before Boseman’s passing. That water-heavy production plan has not changed.

All of this connects to our previous exclusive, that someone bigger is pulling the strings to spark these warring societies… Doctor Doom.

Black Panther 2 Plot Details Revealed (EXCLUSIVE) - FandomWire

Also, reminder: The Hollywood Reporter article from last year reported Mexican actor Tenoch Huerta will be joining the film as “one of the antagonists” - implying that there will be more than one bad guy in BP2. Which leaves the room for Victor to be the other antagonist.

Mexican actor Tenoch Huerta, who was one of the stars of Netflix’s Narcos: Mexico, is in talks to play one of the antagonists, sources tell THR. Letitia Wright, Lupita Nyong’o, Winston Duke and Angela Bassett are expected to return for the new feature, with some saying Wright’s character Shuri may take on a more prominent role

Now the question is if the rumors have any grain of truth to them is this Huerta gentleman playing Doom or Namor? Personally I would prefer Namor played by an Asian actor but I don’t mind a Latin person for the role. Either way, all these are still rumors for now that will be either proven or disproven eventually. I will just say that if these rumors are true then I think Marvel couldn’t have made a smarter decision than to make Doom appear in a non-Fantastic Four movie first. It’s a totally fresh use of him that isn’t as someone menacing the F4 for thousandth time because of reasons. If true, I’d be all for it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I do not want a Mexican Doom. He is Eastern European and from Latveria. No-one can argue that there's nothing about him that says he isn't Mexican.

 

[Web-Head]

I wouldn't be surprised if Tenoch Huerta is Namor in Black Panther, although I wanted an Asian Namor

 

[Web-Head]

Emily Blunt dispels 'Fantastic Four' rumors about playing Invisible Woman

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Emily Blunt dispels 'Fantastic Four' rumors about playing Invisible Woman

Good news as far as I’m concerned.

 

[Dark Raven]

If she doesn't like superhero movies how would she have stuck it out all these years for multiple movies?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Someone on Reddit doesn't think Tenoch Huerta is playing Namor. Instead he could be playing a character named Tarantula or even have Hector Ayala start off villainous.

 

[Dark Raven]

Someone on Reddit doesn't think Tenoch Huerta is playing Namor. Instead he could be playing a character named Tarantula or even have Hector Ayala start off villainous.

Tarantula is a Spider-Man villain though.

 

[Web-Head]

Someone on Reddit doesn't think Tenoch Huerta is playing Namor. Instead he could be playing a character named Tarantula or even have Hector Ayala start off villainous.

I could see either or actually. I'd greatly prefer that over Namor

 

[Stark Bauer]

Tarantula is a Spider-Man villain though.

And Ghost is an Iron Man villain. But showed up in Ant-Man.

And Ronan The Accuser is a Fantastic Four villain.

And Kingpin was originally a Spider-Man villain.

Perhaps that is why it is called the Marvel Cinematic UNIVERSE. Because it is an interconnected world and characters not normally associated with a specific character could show up in any MCU series/film.

 

[Filmfreak]

That may be, but Sony owns the rights to all Spider-Man villains and it feels unlikely they would allow one in a film they don't produce.

 

[Albright]

I don’t get why so many people are convinced, that a realativly unknown actor like Tenoch Huerta (outside Narcos who knows him) will play an iconic villain and future superhero?
In every MCU movie ( besides Ant Man 1&2) the villains were played by an A-B rank actor who everybody knows
One can argue Lee Pace, but at the time when Guardians hit, Lee had a big role in the Hobbit trilogy

Tenoch Huerta will be some kind of henchman

 

[Dark Raven]

And Ghost is an Iron Man villain. But showed up in Ant-Man.

And Ronan The Accuser is a Fantastic Four villain.

And Kingpin was originally a Spider-Man villain.

Perhaps that is why it is called the Marvel Cinematic UNIVERSE. Because it is an interconnected world and characters not normally associated with a specific character could show up in any MCU series/film.

That may be, but Sony owns the rights to all Spider-Man villains and it feels unlikely they would allow one in a film they don't produce.

This.

It's not about whether Tarantula couldn't show up in another film like Ghost or Ronan. It's that if Sony own the rights to Tarantula (since he is most closely associated with Spider-Man as one of his rogues gallery) then it's unlikely Disney are going to want to put him in a film that is not Spider-Man, otherwise that will raise all kinds of legal complications and unnecessary headaches for them. They would prefer to avoid that if they can and not have to involve Sony at all. It's one thing to use Spider-Man (who is Marvel's top character) in a non Spider-Man film and another thing to use Tarantula.

 

[Stark Bauer]

This.

It's not about whether Tarantula couldn't show up in another film like Ghost or Ronan. It's that if Sony own the rights to Tarantula (since he is most closely associated with Spider-Man as one of his rogues gallery) then it's unlikely Disney are going to want to put him in a film that is not Spider-Man, otherwise that will raise all kinds of legal complications and unnecessary headaches for them. They would prefer to avoid that if they can and not have to involve Sony at all. It's one thing to use Spider-Man (who is Marvel's top character) in a non Spider-Man film and another thing to use Tarantula.

You are correct. After re-reading my comment, I apologize if what i said to you sounded disrespectful. Sometimes i can be very frank and words on the internet can be read in the worst tones, but i assure you i was saying it with zero malice.

 

[Dark Raven]

You are correct. After re-reading my comment, I apologize if what i said to you sounded disrespectful. Sometimes i can be very frank and words on the internet can be read in the worst tones, but i assure you i was saying it with zero malice.

No problem. Apology accepted.

 

[Crimz]

What's everyone's guesses for when we'll get announcements of the cast?

The fanboy in me hopes for August to coincide with the FF's 60th anniversary.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What's everyone's guesses for when we'll get announcements of the cast?

The fanboy in me hopes for August to coincide with the FF's 60th anniversary.

I think within the next six months.

Do we know what's going on with D-23 and San Diego Comic Con this year? Those would be ideal opportunities for an announcement if Marvel is participating.

And I strongly suspect at least a partial cast is in place currently, so it's just a matter of determining the best time to announce it.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Feige will be the only one leaking casting news. We should know at least one cast member before 2023. Hard to say though with how tight Disney and Marvel have been with preventing any leaks since they shut down Holland and Ruffalo...and the lockdowns have stifled the paparazzi

 

[Detective Conan]

What's everyone's guesses for when we'll get announcements of the cast?

The fanboy in me hopes for August to coincide with the FF's 60th anniversary.

That will depend on when Marvel decides to use the characters. If they plan to not have the characters show up until their solo movie then it’s entirely likely that we won’t get any news on casting this year at all. Post-production on No Way Home will clearly take up the majority of Watts time, and Marvel is busy enough with other stuff as it is this year, so at best the only major F4 news we will get is the writers. If the movie really releases in 2023 then they will have to have their cast lined up for 2022 for principal photography to have the movie ready for it’s rumored July 2023 release.

However, if they plan to have any individual member of the F4 appear in a movie or show before their own movie then it’s very possible we get casting this year. For example, Marvel could want to introduce Reed Richards as soon as in Ant-Man Quantumania - so we would get casting for him as soon as next month(the movie begins shooting in July).

So your question really depends on when and where they want to introduce the characters. They could introduce them separately from the each other, and sprinkle the characters in the various shows and movies shooting this year, but they’re just as likely to hold off on any usage of the characters until their solo film due in 2023. Which means we likely won’t get any casting this year.

Fingers crossed we get some casting soon to finally put to bed some really bad fancasts though.

 

[Stark Bauer]

if i was Feige i would not waste their limited appearances on small cameos. I would keep the F4 in the big MCU films event films only - Reed/Sue/Johnny/Ben will appear in FF1, FF2, X-Men crossover movie, sequel to X-Men crossover, final movie (like Endgame). This will maximize their contracts depending on how many films they sign for. I am not sure what the average number of films an MCU contract is for. I am guessing it is between 5-8 .