Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 57

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They aren't going to mess with her powers in the books.
Eh I dunno, Marvel Comics is always pretty quick to change stuff to better reflect the movies. A lot of cases like that I'm not big on em cause it feels transparent what they're doing but sometimes it works fine.
 
Loki episode 2 also awesome. Ugh, why can I only get 1 episode a week!!!! Lol
 
Rumor is Miss Marvel is supposedly getting 'Green Lantern' powers.

A bracelet that allows her to create Purple 'Hard-Light constructs' of whatever she imagines. This as an alternative to the stretching powers.

Apparently all The Marvels (Carol, Monica, Kamala, Blue etc) will have light-based powers.

I could see the Marvels all getting quantum bands or nega bands or whatever the hell they are calling them to use in the flick, maybe for the final confrontation against the Big Bad. But I can't see Feige and company erasing the polymorph abilities that Ms. Khan had in her popular comic series and an unpopular video game. Turning her into an INO character would go against what the MCU has done (with the exception of Pete's pals in the Spidey series), and would be a poor decision to make for their young muslim hero.

I think they will keep Kamala's powers as is for the TV show and possibly give her a power boost for the movie. They can also keep her Terrigen based origin without referencing Inhumans.
 
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After episode 2, Loki definitely has the potential to make the Top 5 of superhero shows; up there with Daredevil, Legion, The Boys, Watchmen.. It's all in the writing. So many unique and thought-provoking concepts. This show doesn't pander or treat the audience like buffoons. Added to that, Tom and Owen's engaging performances. This one is a step above the norm.

I can see why Feige promoted Waldron. The guy has some great science-fiction ideas. A welcome change of pace from the derivative dreck we get on other shows nowadays.

I could see the Marvels all getting quantum bands or nega bands or whatever the hell they are calling them to use in the flick, maybe for the final confrontation against the Big Bad. But I can't see Feige and company erasing the polymorph abilities that Ms. Khan had in her popular comic series and an unpopular video game. Turning her into an INO character would go against what the MCU has done (with the exception of Pete's pals in the Spidey series), and would be a poor decision to make for their young muslim hero.

I think they will keep Kamala's powers as is for the TV show and possibly give her a power boost for the movie. They can also keep her Terrigen based origin without referencing Inhumans.

The character is barely defined. Miss Marvel is so relatively new. So reinventing the character in this manner wouldn't be so bizarre. It would also align her with the other Marvels and their light-based abilities. Her 'shapeshifting' will probably be hard-light constructs. Like giant purple fists.
 
The character is barely defined. Miss Marvel is so relatively new. So reinventing the character in this manner wouldn't be so bizarre. It would also align her with the other Marvels and their light-based abilities. Her 'shapeshifting' will probably be hard-light constructs. Like giant purple fists.

This isn't true. Ms. (not Miss) Marvel has become a very high profile character for the company in a relatively short period of time, and is the most prominent Pakistani and Muslim hero in comics. I doubt very much that Feige and company will render Kamala INO in her solo TV series. That would be a terrible, awful idea.
 


Damn. The last part. The late great Mr. Ditko seemed like such a sunny personality, didn’t he? He must’ve been fun at parties. :funny:
 
This isn't true. Ms. (not Miss) Marvel has become a very high profile character for the company in a relatively short period of time, and is the most prominent Pakistani and Muslim hero in comics. I doubt very much that Feige and company will render Kamala INO in her solo TV series. That would be a terrible, awful idea.

High profile? Not really.

The video game bombed. And the comics are a niche medium for a shrinking audience.

The vast mainstream audience who watches MCU flicks wouldn't care less if Kamala's powers are different from the source, as even the source material itself is relatively recent. These changes really have no bearing on her Pakistani/Muslim representation.

I'd definitely wager that Feige is going to avoid her 'Inhumans' origin (after Perlmutter ruined that option). Altering her powers to be light-based constructs is a rumor from production leaks, but it's a logical one.
 
Kevin Feige: Ms. Marvel's one of the newer characters in the Marvel comics. And when one comes in that grabs the world's imagination like this. And the questions are, when are we going to bring Ms. Marvel to the screen?

The idea that Marvel Studios would radically alter a fresh new character by tossing out her comic book abilities and making her a Green Lantern knock off is absolutely ridiculous, regardless of what someone might be saying on reddit.


 
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Damn. The last part. The late great Mr. Ditko seemed like such a sunny personality, didn’t he? He must’ve been fun at parties. :funny:


Ditko was a bit too principled to a fault. But he's still a very interesting person. Even his response there is insightful. Artists just don't care to talk about their past work as much. Especially from decades before. It's just something they do and they move on. I mean how many times can they respond to, "I love Spider-Man! He means a lot to me! How did you create him?" You combine that with Ditko's grouchy disposition, you're not going to get a response you hoped for. From what I've seen, if you don't ask him about Spider-Man or Marvel, you got an engaging conversation out of him. If you're interested in learning more, I recommend a website/blog where someone was in correspondence with him for years and then visited his apartment in Manhattan. You get to know Ditko a lot more.

A piece of advice if anyone ever wants to talk to an artist they admire. Don't ask them about their past work, find something that both of you share an interest in and talk to them about it. I guarantee you will get a good conversation and learn something new.
 
Kevin Feige: Ms. Marvel's one of the newer characters in the Marvel comics. And when one comes in that grabs the world's imagination like this. And the questions are, when are we going to bring Ms. Marvel to the screen?

The idea that Marvel Studios would radically alter a fresh new character by tossing out her comic book abilities and making her a Green Lantern knock off is absolutely ridiculous, regardless of what someone might be saying on reddit.




Regarding the Feige quote, that's a major stretch (no pun intended). Nothing he says there doesn't preclude the changes to the character's origin and powers as I specified.

If such changes do happen, I encourage you to keep an open mind. It could be a vast improvement over the source material. In general, the MCU has improved on a lot of wonky stories and concepts from the Marvel Comics, that wouldn't really have the same appeal to mainstream movie-going audiences.

In this specific case, it makes sense for her to have light-based powers to align with the other Marvels. And they can still keep the iconography (albeit recent iconography) of the giant fists and all the rest using the hard-light constructs that Kamala creates.

And we'll still get our stretchy guy with Mr. Fantastic.
 
Regarding the Feige quote, that's a major stretch (no pun intended). Nothing he says there doesn't preclude the changes to the character's origin and powers as I specified.

If such changes do happen, I encourage you to keep an open mind. It could be a vast improvement over the source material. In general, the MCU has improved on a lot of wonky stories and concepts from the Marvel Comics, that wouldn't really have the same appeal to mainstream movie-going audiences.

In this specific case, it makes sense for her to have light-based powers to align with the other Marvels. And they can still keep the iconography (albeit recent iconography) of the giant fists and all the rest using the hard-light constructs that Kamala creates.

And we'll still get our stretchy guy with Mr. Fantastic.

I appreciate the encouragement, but my mind be closed. Making one of their up and coming new heroes INO would be a profoundly stupid decision and I would be shocked if Feige and company effed things up to that level.

Yes, the MCU has changed a lot of goofy stories and concepts from the comic books. But regardless of that they have retained the core of their characters. Changing Kamala into a dime store GL and ditching her polymorphic abilities would betray the character to an enormous degree. Powers that G Willow Wilson granted her to illustrate the discomfort young ladies have with their changing bodies. I am confident they wouldn't do something so stupid just so all the Marvels can have similar abilities. And btw, why would they even want that?

It wouldn't surprise me if Kamala gets ahold of quantum or nega or some other such bands during the course of her show and film to provide her with some additional firepower. But I would be truly stunned if they had her making giant purple fists like Hal Jordan. Which audiences didn't exactly go for back in 2011. The rumor doesn't make a lick of sense.
 
I appreciate the encouragement, but my mind be closed. Making one of their up and coming new heroes INO would be a profoundly stupid decision and I would be shocked if Feige and company effed things up to that level.

Yes, the MCU has changed a lot of goofy stories and concepts from the comic books. But regardless of that they have retained the core of their characters. Changing Kamala into a dime store GL and ditching her polymorphic abilities would betray the character to an enormous degree. Powers that G Willow Wilson granted her to illustrate the discomfort young ladies have with their changing bodies. I am confident they wouldn't do something so stupid just so all the Marvels can have similar abilities. And btw, why would they even want that?

It wouldn't surprise me if Kamala gets ahold of quantum or nega or some other such bands during the course of her show and film to provide her with some additional firepower. But I would be truly stunned if they had her making giant purple fists like Hal Jordan. Which audiences didn't exactly go for back in 2011. The rumor doesn't make a lick of sense.
I don't disagree with your general overall point, Green Lantern's ability wasn't what turned people off in 2011. If they for some reason did this with Kamala, I am sure it would go over rather well with the vast majority of the audience, who have no idea who she is. They see Marvel, they run towards it. That's the majority.
 
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Ditko was a bit too principled to a fault. But he's still a very interesting person. Even his response there is insightful. Artists just don't care to talk about their past work as much. Especially from decades before. It's just something they do and they move on. I mean how many times can they respond to, "I love Spider-Man! He means a lot to me! How did you create him?" You combine that with Ditko's grouchy disposition, you're not going to get a response you hoped for. From what I've seen, if you don't ask him about Spider-Man or Marvel, you got an engaging conversation out of him. If you're interested in learning more, I recommend a website/blog where someone was in correspondence with him for years and then visited his apartment in Manhattan. You get to know Ditko a lot more.

A piece of advice if anyone ever wants to talk to an artist they admire. Don't ask them about their past work, find something that both of you share an interest in and talk to them about it. I guarantee you will get a good conversation and learn something new.
I agree with this. My post was meant to be glib and not actually a dig at Mr. Ditko(whom I admire greatly). He’s a more interesting figure to me than Stan ever was partly because he was so mysterious and there’s a lot of mythology built up about him over the years. Scott Derickson dubbed him “the J.D Salinger of comics” and think that rings true. I would’ve been greatly interested to have seen a video of him speaking as I always wondered what his voice sounded like.

Today, I happen to stumble about an interview with Ditko’s nephew. I highly recommend you watch as it provides great insight into the type of person Steve was as well as being a window into his creative mind.
 
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Regarding the Feige quote, that's a major stretch (no pun intended). Nothing he says there doesn't preclude the changes to the character's origin and powers as I specified.

If such changes do happen, I encourage you to keep an open mind. It could be a vast improvement over the source material. In general, the MCU has improved on a lot of wonky stories and concepts from the Marvel Comics, that wouldn't really have the same appeal to mainstream movie-going audiences.

In this specific case, it makes sense for her to have light-based powers to align with the other Marvels. And they can still keep the iconography (albeit recent iconography) of the giant fists and all the rest using the hard-light constructs that Kamala creates.

And we'll still get our stretchy guy with Mr. Fantastic.

There's no logical reason she needs to have powers aligned with Carol and Monica (also, calling Carol's powers 'light based' is bizarre in the first place, she has one light based power and it's arguably the least significant power she has). The relationship between Carol and Kamala in the comics works great even with completely unrelated powersets. Arguably, it works better with completely unrelated powersets because Kamala isn't in any way a product of or descended from or even that reminiscent of Carol, which makes her choice to associate herself with Carol more meaningful. As opposed to, say, a new archery based hero being inspired by Hawkeye, a new Hulk character being Hulk inspired, a new Spider character being inspired by Spider-man, etc (because who else would they be inspired by?).

Also, the MCU is by no means perfectly faithful in every way but as far as I can recall they have never once changed a character's abilities so radically as what is suggested here, and that's including a WHOLE LOT of characters who are way less significant than Kamala Khan. The closest they've come that I can recall is removing Vulture's vampiric youth-sucking ability (but he still flies around on homemade wings, which was always the most iconic part anyway. EDIT: Actually, I think I misremembered this, the youth-sucking thing apparently wasn't even a standard Vulture ability to begin with, it was just seen once or twice), dumbing down Wanda's powers to 'weird/telekinetic' (but that was clearly just intended to be her starting point for her to slowly grow into the more comic accurate powerset) or switching Redwing into a drone instead of an actual Falcon that Sam has a telepathic connection to (which is, again, a very small part of Sam's abilities). Even Star-Lord's added Ego powers were just a one-off plot necessity that were almost never used and have since been permanently lost, leaving him at basically the same place as comics Star-Lord.

Making Ms. Marvel a Green Lantern-esque character goes way farther than any of that. It would be like removing Captain America's strength/agility and just making him telekinetic instead. I just really don't see Marvel going that far.

The only way I would have ever put much stock in this rumor would've been if it seemed like an attempt to get around having to use the Inhumans or to get around having to show stretchy powers in live action for fear it wouldn't work. But they can easily do whatever they want with the Inhumans including ignoring the previous show or ignoring them entirely and just leaving the origin of her powers mysterious. And - as you already said - they're doing Mr. Fantastic no matter what, so they will have to make stretchy powers work one way or another. So there's no logical reason whatsoever to not also do them for Kamala.
 
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Honestly, the reason why they would change her powers would likely because her powers do not exactly look great in live action. Especially with how she is often depicted using them in the comics.

Please see the Avengers game for evidence.
 
Honestly, the reason why they would change her powers would likely because her powers do not exactly look great in live action. Especially with how she is often depicted using them in the comics.

Please see the Avengers game for evidence.

And again, as I said, they're doing those powers for Mr. Fantastic no matter what. I don't think anyone would seriously suggest otherwise. So they're going to have to find a way to make them look good, no matter what. So there's no logical reason to not do them for Kamala, too.
 
I honestly think Loki might be my favorite show. Even more than Daredevil. The writing is certainly much better than F&TWS & WandaVision, and the pacing is god-like (pun intended).

I can't wait for episode 3
I appreciate the encouragement, but my mind be closed. Making one of their up and coming new heroes INO would be a profoundly stupid decision and I would be shocked if Feige and company effed things up to that level.

Yes, the MCU has changed a lot of goofy stories and concepts from the comic books. But regardless of that they have retained the core of their characters. Changing Kamala into a dime store GL and ditching her polymorphic abilities would betray the character to an enormous degree. Powers that G Willow Wilson granted her to illustrate the discomfort young ladies have with their changing bodies. I am confident they wouldn't do something so stupid just so all the Marvels can have similar abilities. And btw, why would they even want that?

It wouldn't surprise me if Kamala gets ahold of quantum or nega or some other such bands during the course of her show and film to provide her with some additional firepower. But I would be truly stunned if they had her making giant purple fists like Hal Jordan. Which audiences didn't exactly go for back in 2011. The rumor doesn't make a lick of sense.
Hmm.. I've seen some compelling evidence that this will be the case in her show, that she will derive her powers from a bracelet and be Green Lantern type deal. As somebody else, it's really no skin off of my back. The Kamala Khan generation of Inhumans were meant to upstage/and replace mutants per Ike Perlmutter. So you won't see me crying a river about the lack of Inhumans stuff

Even that recent Avengers game was an X-Men game dresssed up in Inhuman clothing. The writers sooo clearly wanted to tell a story about mutants but their hands were tied, so we got Inhumans as a stand-in instead.

Suffice to say, it was a pretty annoying time to be an X-Men fan.
 
Similar powers, very, very different ways in how they are presented visually.

A big glowing fist of energy will be more acceptable than a big giant fist that looks like a hulk glove fist.
 
This is the studio that actually presented a comic accurate Knowhere. Not to mention the planet with a face. I really don't think this line of argument is particularly convincing.
 
There's ways to handle Ms. Khan's powers without rendering her INO. Her show is an origin story, which will likely limit her onscreen usage, anyway. And if it certain abilities end up looking goofy, the creators can focus more on the growing and shrinking and less on the oversized body parts and the stretching. I don't see how giving Kamala the ability to create enormous energy fists fixes the "problem".
 
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