Marvel Films MCU X-Men - Part 4

[CaptainWagner]

While they've obviously attempted DPS twice back at Fox, it is worth noting that a properly adapted version of the story would be virtually unrecognizable from the previous attempts, outside of Jean getting a power upgrade that ends badly.

 

[Lip]

I'm not a comic expert by any means, but I feel like one of the things that makes the X-Men different from these other major superhero teams is the female protagonism.

The X-Men has to be different than these, because it is different than these:

If you ask me, I'd chose these 5 to be the main characters of the MCU X-Men: Cyclops, Storm, Jean, Rogue and Kitty.

50/50 is the least I'm expecting. The least.

 

[BobJM]

Even a comics-accurate adaptation centers around, at least initially, Jean being manipulated by the Hellfire Club--previously Magneto in X3 & Vuk in Dark Phoenix.

If the MCU were to go back to the Phoenix storyline then I hope they lean more heavily on the cosmic side of things, & integrate the Shi'ar & Guardians of the Galaxy. Base the story around Brian Michael Bendis' "Trial of Jean Grey" storyline where the Shi'ar attack Earth to destroy Jean Grey before she can inherit the Phoenix Force & wreak havoc in the cosmos.

 

[Lip]

While they've obviously attempted DPS twice back at Fox, it is worth noting that a properly adapted version of the story would be virtually unrecognizable from the previous attempts, outside of Jean getting a power upgrade that ends badly.

This is true. But I don't know. This whole idea of women getting so powerful they become a danger is so bad now and done so many times in so many different stories. As iconic as that is for the X-Men, do I want to see that type of story? That have been adapted twice before?

If they get a woman to write/direct and give a better approach, ok I guess. Just don't know if it's worth it.

 

[BobJM]

What about Loki's Kate Herron directing Marvel's X-Men? She's not returning for Loki Season 2 but otherwise seemed like her work with Marvel was quite amicable all around.

It seemed like she and Tom were the genuine fans of the MCU lore on set.

 

[CaptainWagner]

This is true. But I don't know. This whole idea of women getting so powerful they become a danger is so bad now and done so many times in so many different stories. As iconic as that is for the X-Men, do I want to see that type of story? That have been adapted twice before?

If they get a woman to write/direct and give a better approach, ok I guess. Just don't know if it's worth it.

It's all about the portrayal of the Phoenix Force. The prior adaptations gave off those vibes because it wasn't an external threat, but an internal growth of power in Jean. If you establish the Phoenix as a dangerous entity that Jean brings into herself to save her team and potentially all of reality, it's a whole different perspective IMO. In that take, Jean essentially sacrifices herself twice - Because she knows when she lets the Phoenix take hold of her that she'll eventually have to destroy it - and herself. You could get a very cool scene of Jean interacting with the Phoenix on the cosmic level - perhaps even give it a personification that she can bargain with. I would love for them to get really Lovecraftian with it.

That and having other examples of extremely powerful X-Women in the same franchise also relieves the potential bad optics.

What about Loki's Kate Herron directing Marvel's X-Men? She's not returning for Loki Season 2 but otherwise seemed like her work with Marvel was quite amicable all around.

It seemed like she and Tom were the genuine fans of the MCU lore on set.

I think she could be really great and now part of me hopes that, however unlikely, that's why she isn't returning for Loki Season 2. Alternatively, Leigh Janiak (Fear Street) has caught my attention as a potential pick-up for the franchise.

And speaking of the MCU snatching up Fear Street talent - Julia Rehwald could be a great Kitty Pryde.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Directing the X-Men is a job for Ava DuVernay. She would nail the atmosphere completely.

 

[Marvel united]

I just think having Psylocke on the team from the get-go would be such a departure from the Fox films & from Jean Grey as the team psychic so I’m intrigued. Maybe Jean’s off on Muir Island in a stasis pod next to Kevin MacTaggart teased in a post-credits sequence? Lol that sounds dumb but I just can’t get away from the thought that removing Jean opens up the roster in exciting ways.

I do like your lineup too; I like using Forge as the resident tech guy but by losing Beast, you lose having a mutant on the team who’s mutation is represented physically. Colossus can hide his metal skin and tbh he’s already so involved with the Deadpool character, I wonder if Marvel will be interested in using him again (he could be in Deadpool 3 after all). So I’d keep Beast.

I also wonder if Forge could take the role as the team muscle too? His tech is his greatest weapon and alongside an artificial leg that’s tricked out, he’s got a big ‘ol 90s gun or something along those lines—a cool new visual tech that’s different from Stark or Wakanda that can be a through-line in the MCU’s mutant corner of the universe, like in the Blackbird or the Danger Room & Cerebro.

• I love the idea of having Thunderbird on the team (and not die), but his powers aren’t super fun onscreen. Maybe they can be visually reimagined for the MCU.

Kitty would also work fine as the POV/newcomer, I’ve always liked her. I think it’s Jubilee’s time to be honest, but I’d be fine either way. Iceman too if we’re borrowing more closely from Ultimate X-Men.

I get what you mean. But for me at least, I want her to be there. Esp if they're gonna use Sinister, which seems likely given that he's the biggest underutilized villain. Scott & Jean's fates being intertwined is a huge deal to Essex

Regarding Beast/Forge, that is a good point. Unless it's explicitly part of the narrative, I don't think it makes sense for all of the X-Men to be human passing. So unless we're gonna go with a c-lister like Maggot, or Anole or Pixie, Beast and Nightcrawler are your two choices. Both of them have been used recently so it really comes down to who's the more foundational member, and which one can be differentiated the most.

I think both of them will end up being CG characters in the MCU, but Kurt is prbly the one who'd feel the most same-y... Unless ofc Marvel changed Kurt's nationality as @Lip suggested, and at this point, I would not be opposed to that.

What about Loki's Kate Herron directing Marvel's X-Men? She's not returning for Loki Season 2 but otherwise seemed like her work with Marvel was quite amicable all around.

It seemed like she and Tom were the genuine fans of the MCU lore on set.

If we're revisiting talent in the MCU, I'd prefer someone like Nia DaCosta (Candyman) over Kate Herron, esp with her treatment of Black characters in that show. It's not something I'd like to see carried over to the X-Men films

I have a feeling Feige is gonna go with a Black director for this project. Specifically one with experience in dealing with social themes, which is basically all of them (for obv reasons).

 

[Marvel united]

Even a comics-accurate adaptation centers around, at least initially, Jean being manipulated by the Hellfire Club--previously Magneto in X3 & Vuk in Dark Phoenix.

If the MCU were to go back to the Phoenix storyline then I hope they lean more heavily on the cosmic side of things, & integrate the Shi'ar & Guardians of the Galaxy. Base the story around Brian Michael Bendis' "Trial of Jean Grey" storyline where the Shi'ar attack Earth to destroy Jean Grey before she can inherit the Phoenix Force & wreak havoc in the cosmos.

It's all about the portrayal of the Phoenix Force. The prior adaptations gave off those vibes because it wasn't an external threat, but an internal growth of power in Jean. If you establish the Phoenix as a dangerous entity that Jean brings into herself to save her team and potentially all of reality, it's a whole different perspective IMO. In that take, Jean essentially sacrifices herself twice - Because she knows when she lets the Phoenix take hold of her that she'll eventually have to destroy it - and herself. You could get a very cool scene of Jean interacting with the Phoenix on the cosmic level - perhaps even give it a personification that she can bargain with. I would love for them to get really Lovecraftian with it.

That and having other examples of extremely powerful X-Women in the same franchise also relieves the potential bad optics.

I think she could be really great and now part of me hopes that, however unlikely, that's why she isn't returning for Loki Season 2. Alternatively, Leigh Janiak (Fear Street) has caught my attention as a potential pick-up for the franchise.

And speaking of the MCU snatching up Fear Street talent - Julia Rehwald could be a great Kitty Pryde.

A true adaptation of the Phoenix Saga would be a cosmic epic, and could easily cap off an entire phase. I think Feige might feel good knowing that he has that story in his arsenal.

I think the problem with the Fox films is that there wasn't really any space to portray the Phoenix anything other than an unmistakably evil creature-- because they didn't have an established cosmic universe to really explore those ideas in depth. The MCU, however, does.

It's important to establish early on that the Phoenix entity exists beyond our binary concepts of "good" and "evil". it's beyond our understanding, and only Jean (and her daughter), can connect to it. I love the idea of getting Lovecraftian spooky with it

 

[CaptainWagner]

A true adaptation of the Phoenix Saga would be a cosmic epic, and could easily cap off an entire phase. I think Feige might feel good knowing that he has that story in his arsenal.

I think the problem with the Fox films is that there wasn't really any space to portray the Phoenix anything other than an unmistakably evil creature-- because they didn't have an established cosmic universe to really explore those ideas in depth. The MCU, however, does.

It's important to establish early on that the Phoenix entity exists beyond our binary concepts of "good" and "evil". it's beyond our understanding, and only Jean (and her daughter), can connect to it. I love the idea of getting Lovecraftian spooky with it

I think there's a lot of potential with Sinister and the Hellfire Club to build up this "Elder God" type mythos behind the Phoenix. You could even tie it into a reimagining of Vulcan's story - that he tried to bond with the Phoenix and that's why Xavier let him remain trapped in a coma for so long. Then he breaks free, tries again with the M'Kran crystal and the X-Men stop him, with Jean drawing the Phoenix into herself instead. That could be Phase One of MCU X-Men, with Phase 2 leading up to a Dark Phoenix/AvX epic event.

 

[Silvermoth]

Directing the X-Men is a job for Ava DuVernay. She would nail the atmosphere completely.

would marvel give her the freedom to work though?

 

[BoredGuy]

Kinda sucks that we’re at a point where I absolutely do not want the current comics influencing the movies going forward

if House of X or Age of Phoenix are incorporated into the films at all, ill be very sad …. Mayyyyybe house of X for like the eighth xmen movie or something, but even then…

 

[SumT]

the first 10 years for the X-Men should be all new plots and villains. So a huge no to Dark Phoenix again. In any case, in 2039 or later.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

would marvel give her the freedom to work though?

I would hope they could come to some sort of good compromise. But I've been sold on her as the X-Men's visionary since "When They See Us". That's totally the tone we need for a mutant movie.

Kinda sucks that we’re at a point where I absolutely do not want the current comics influencing the movies going forward

if House of X or Age of Phoenix are incorporated into the films at all, ill be very sad …. Mayyyyybe house of X for like the eighth xmen movie or something, but even then…

You and I both. Some of those Hellfire Gala costumes too are eyesores.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

At this point, an animated adaptation of TDPS would probably be better. I know the basic plot points of the original comic, but I’m mostly familiar with the saga through the 2 films and X-Men TAS.

Id like to see them tackle the story again once we’ve had some time away from the last two iterations. The OG story is frequently ranked as one of, if not the top Marvel story.

I’ve been thinking they need to approach X-Men as an event film. When you have C-listers like Ironheart and Echo getting their own shows, it just opens so many doors. I’m imagining multiple Disney+ series that culminate in an eventual X-Men movie.

‘Storm’ - a miniseries focusing on the origins of Orono Monroe and her conflicts with Shadow King. I would love to see some Wakandan influence here, I always loved the Storm/BP romance. I know it won’t be possible to have T’Challa and Storm marry, but a nod to their romance in the comics would be welcome.

‘Wolverine’ - a miniseries set in multiple time periods. Basically think if they made a whole series out of the opening credits in X-Men Origins. There’s no limit to what they could do with this character.

‘Cyclops’ - a miniseries focusing on the Summers family and the Starjammers could be really interesting and provide an epic origin story for this underappreciated hero. The cosmic side of the character could be played up a bit.

‘Mystique’ - I know everyone is tired of Mystique, but that’s Jennifer Lawrence’s fault. She’s a great character. Id love to see a miniseries focusing on the dysfunctional family dynamic between Mystique, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Mystique could be a Frank Gallagher-esque parent to the two of them. Maybe Azazel could be the villain there. Or even Captain Marvel. I am so hoping for a variation of the Rogue/Mystique/Captain Marvel storyline.

The possibilities are limitless with D+

 

[psylockolussus]

Kinda sucks that we’re at a point where I absolutely do not want the current comics influencing the movies going forward

if House of X or Age of Phoenix are incorporated into the films at all, ill be very sad …. Mayyyyybe house of X for like the eighth xmen movie or something, but even then…

I absolutely don't like the current Jonathan Hickman X-Men comiXs.

 

[SumT]

‘Mystique’ - I know everyone is tired of Mystique, but that’s Jennifer Lawrence’s fault. She’s a great character. Id love to see a miniseries focusing on the dysfunctional family dynamic between Mystique, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Mystique could be a Frank Gallagher-esque parent to the two of them. Maybe Azazel could be the villain there. Or even Captain Marvel. I am so hoping for a variation of the Rogue/Mystique/Captain Marvel storyline.

The possibilities are limitless with D+

why not....... a Rogue tv show with Mystique as supporing? since...... well...... Rogue is the actual x-men, not Raven, and if someone deserves to be a star now, thats Rogue, not that blue b**** lol.
for real show, a Rogue with Mystique, Destiny, possible brotherhood, etc sounds much more appropiate. And if you want that big event with solo shows leading to them, the leading characters of each show should be each X-member, not a villain, right?

 

[CaptainWagner]

why not....... a Rogue tv show with Mystique as supporing? since...... well...... Rogue is the actual x-men, not Raven, and if someone deserves to be a star now, thats Rogue, not that blue b**** lol.
for real show, a Rogue with Mystique, Destiny, possible brotherhood, etc sounds much more appropiate. And if you want that big event with solo shows leading to them, the leading characters of each show should be each X-member, not a villain, right?

Rogue is definitely one of the mutants most geared for a solo D+ series, with or without Gambit co-starring. It would be great to really get to explore her backstory, as well as Mystique's.

 

[Lip]

Rogue deserves to have her story told right this time.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I’m waiting for Marvel Studios Mr & Mrs X starring Rogue and Gambit on D+ in the near future.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I want Rogue and Mystique in The Marvels but I bet it doesn’t happen .

Even though i like all the characters individually, I think the o5 as a team is often boring. But I do think they should start with them, and slowly build this universe. With the right cast and some tweaks to make the characters stand our from each other more, it can really work. So many great X-Men, but many of the best ones (Wolverine, Storm, Nightcrawler, Gambit, Rogue, etc) shouldn’t be introduced right away.

maybe start with Sauron and the O5 for the first X-Men movie. He’d be a good simple villain so you can focus on the team dynamics

 

[psylockolussus]

I want Rogue and Mystique in The Marvels but I bet it doesn’t happen .

Unless The Marvels is set on Earth, I don't know why the movie should feature Rogue and Mystique.

Save Rogue for the X-Men. Carol Danvers has other supporting characters that have yet to appear in a movie. Also, the movie already has Kamala Khan and Monica Rambeau. Rogue would just steal the thunder from those two, and whoever the villain is (Moonstone?).

 

[CaptainWagner]

It's a shot in the dark to guess what the team will look like, but I can say with 99% confidence it's not going to just be the O5.

 

[Silvermoth]

Rogue has such a broad demographic they would be crazy not to include her. I think Jean, Orono, kwannon and rogue would be amazing. Then Emma for a sequel and kitty

 

[Fincher]

It's a shot in the dark to guess what the team will look like, but I can say with 99% confidence it's not going to just be the O5.

While I'm not 100% settled on exactly what team I'd want (but I know I want to see Emma and Psylocke and Rogue in a major capacity, if not right away then eventually), I'd leave out Beast at any rate. We've seen a lot of him recently, and even as far as the desire for diversity goes he's not the best choice. He's male, if they cast a POC actor they won't get full credit at least once he goes all blue and furry, and Iceman would cover being gay. I mean, they could make both of them gay, but that doesn't mean they would. They could always have a lesbian character, or maybe bi for someone like Jean or Rogue who has a popular romantic pairing.