Lucifer Lucifer General Discussion

[Donner]

I wasn't expecting it till next year.

I'm so happy. Twitter is upset with the release date being so early but I couldn't be happier. I hate delayed gratification.

 

[Flash525]

I'm curious where they're going to go with their final season. What with Lucy being God, he should have the ability (right?) to know who's killing who from the get-go. Would there be any detective work necessary? I'm hoping this'll go more into the mythology than it has before, because they've gotta rescue Dan, and there's still some story to be told on the Maze front.

 

[Donner]

I'm curious where they're going to go with their final season. What with Lucy being God, he should have the ability (right?) to know who's killing who from the get-go. Would there be any detective work necessary? I'm hoping this'll go more into the mythology than it has before, because they've gotta rescue Dan, and there's still some story to be told on the Maze front.

From what I read, the synopsis, and what the writers have said, Lucifer being God doesn't necessarily mean he has God like powers. It's possible he has to self actualize them or even that he chooses not to be God in the end.

I'm hoping for the latter. I hope he gives up the God title and transfers any powers to all of the angels, making heaven a democracy (something he made fun of in 5x14). And I hope he lives out Chloe's life on earth with her and they're together in heaven afterwards.

 

[Donner]

An intern leaked a hell of a lot more S6 peaks than intended

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

 

[Pennywise]

 

[Sithborg]

Looks fun.

 

[Donner]

I can't begin to describe what it feels like to see happy Lucifer and Chloe. It took so long for them to get to a good place. I just hope the ending is what they deserve.

 

[Pennywise]

'Lucifer' Showrunners Tease Season 6's Animated Episode, Brought to Life By the 'Harley Quinn' Team

 

[Donner]

I read some reviews and this may be a GoT ending for me.

 

[Flash525]

I read some reviews and this may be a GoT ending for me.

Don't. Just don't.

 

[Donner]

I can never rewatch the show. The ending has destroyed me. I'm crying as I type this. It was the worst.

 

[Flash525]

I can never rewatch the show. The ending has destroyed me. I'm crying as I type this. It was the worst.

It hasn't aired yet though... has it?

 

[carrrnuttt]

I can never rewatch the show. The ending has destroyed me. I'm crying as I type this. It was the worst.

Huh?

Where did you watch this "ending?"

 

[Donner]

It aired today. All 10 episodes.

 

[carrrnuttt]

It aired today. All 10 episodes.

LOL - is Netflix deliberately trying to undercut this show? I just confirmed what you said.

I get notices (phone app and email) for almost every frakking new release or new to them show they get, and no peep about this show.

 

[Donner]

LOL - is Netflix deliberately trying to undercut this show? I just confirmed what you said.

I get notices (phone app and email) for almost every frakking new release or new to them show they get, and no peep about this show.

Apparently their promotion of the show was lackluster for it being the last season.

 

[Mani-Man]

There seems to be little to no promotion for it, which is very strange and sad.
But i assume they leave this to the fans who did a great job in the previous seasons.

Anyway...i watched it as soon as possible to avoid any spoilers.
Let me say that it was a fantastic season, incredible strong written and acted.
It showed what made the show so great...Until the final episode.

There is nothing worse than a great show not sticking the landing.
A bad show with a great ending is watchable despite being bad, a good show that has a bad ending is horrible.
Because you know how it ends and therefore it loses a lot of its appeal because the ending is bad.

And dont get me wrong, i get the ending, i understand it and it does make sense on the big picture...but i dont like it at all.
It feels like they were ignoring things planted in the past seasons and even in its final...and i dont get why.
Its one of those endings we saw a few times now where i dont get the appeal to be honest.

Probably the most annoying about this ending is

Spoiler

They created all those loopholes where coming and going from hell isnt impossible...they even have Amenadiel be able to be god AND FATHER...but Lucifer cant do the same?
He cant help the poor souls and be around?
So he has to leave Chloe, his friends etc behind until they die to see them again? Are you nuts?What kind of message is that overall?

I get the ending if they wouldnt have added their future time travel daughter to the mix.
And then spent most of the final season building a relationship etc...just for them to rip that away in the final episode because for some higher purpose.

Im sorry but no, im not happy about this at all at the moment.

 

[Donner]

There seems to be little to no promotion for it, which is very strange and sad.
But i assume they leave this to the fans who did a great job in the previous seasons.

Anyway...i watched it as soon as possible to avoid any spoilers.
Let me say that it was a fantastic season, incredible strong written and acted.
It showed what made the show so great...Until the final episode.

There is nothing worse than a great show not sticking the landing.
A bad show with a great ending is watchable despite being bad, a good show that has a bad ending is horrible.
Because you know how it ends and therefore it loses a lot of its appeal because the ending is bad.

And dont get me wrong, i get the ending, i understand it and it does make sense on the big picture...but i dont like it at all.
It feels like they were ignoring things planted in the past seasons and even in its final...and i dont get why.
Its one of those endings we saw a few times now where i dont get the appeal to be honest.

Probably the most annoying about this ending is

Spoiler

They created all those loopholes where coming and going from hell isnt impossible...they even have Amenadiel be able to be god AND FATHER...but Lucifer cant do the same?
He cant help the poor souls and be around?
So he has to leave Chloe, his friends etc behind until they die to see them again? Are you nuts?What kind of message is that overall?

I get the ending if they wouldnt have added their future time travel daughter to the mix.
And then spent most of the final season building a relationship etc...just for them to rip that away in the final episode because for some higher purpose.

Im sorry but no, im not happy about this at all at the moment.

I agree whole-heartedly

Spoiler

The showrunners did confirm that Lucifer stole moments here and there to be with Chloe during his absence but the overall message sucked. And they made Chloe relive all of the times in the past when Lucifer left only to be like SIKE he has to leave for the rest of your mortal life. Lolz. **** them. Plus introducing time travel in the last season and then screwing it up? Come on. I've seen the 12 Monkeys series enough times to know that loop could totally change. Especially since Rory was on her way back to the future before assuring Lucifer would leave. Technically, she shouldn't have been able to do anything until he was back in hell.

 

[Prison Mike]

I haven’t watched the whole season yet but did watch clips of everyone’s ending. Tbh, I was totally fine with how they ended things. Then again, I also liked the controversial GoT and HIMYM finales so take that with a grain of salt.

 

[Flash525]

Well I know how I'll be spending my afternoon/evening...

 

[Mani-Man]

I agree whole-heartedly

Spoiler

The showrunners did confirm that Lucifer stole moments here and there to be with Chloe during his absence but the overall message sucked. And they made Chloe relive all of the times in the past when Lucifer left only to be like SIKE he has to leave for the rest of your mortal life. Lolz. **** them. Plus introducing time travel in the last season and then screwing it up? Come on. I've seen the 12 Monkeys series enough times to know that loop could totally change. Especially since Rory was on her way back to the future before assuring Lucifer would leave. Technically, she shouldn't have been able to do anything until he was back in hell.

Spoiler

Havent seen any comments, but i really wanna hear from the writers and showrunners and explenation for those last 30 minutes that messed up the whole show.

It was so OOC for the same characters that for 5 seasons pushed back against fate and all that.
For 5 seasons we got Lucifer fighting against becoming like his father, 1 season that solifides this more than ever...just for the last 30 minutes to turn this around.

And they were always so wonky with the celestial stuff like the whole "cant leave hell" or how time works and so on.
I just dont get why they couldnt have done the simplest thing and have Lucifer be a Therapist in hell as kind of his day job, 9 to 5.

From a writing standpoint its just so messed up just for the sake of yet another "afterlife" happy end.
Which i never got, not when Supernatural did that or the 100...and here neither.
Especially since you could easily have done both, given them a good life together and then have the final scene be as it is.
What is this weird obsession with this trope? I dont get it.
Am i as a fan of all the characters be really happy that Lucifer was never around? You introduced Rory and you want to tell me i should happy she didnt had a father around?
Why? Because of some weakly explained and built "higher purpose" crap...that they then showed the middle finger when Amenediel who became god and has the highest purpose...can have the time for his Son?

It just makes no sense when looking at the rest of the whole show...those last 30 Minutes make no sense in what the show told the viewer for the last 6 seasons.

 

[Donner]

Spoiler

Havent seen any comments, but i really wanna hear from the writers and showrunners and explenation for those last 30 minutes that messed up the whole show.

It was so OOC for the same characters that for 5 seasons pushed back against fate and all that.
For 5 seasons we got Lucifer fighting against becoming like his father, 1 season that solifides this more than ever...just for the last 30 minutes to turn this around.

And they were always so wonky with the celestial stuff like the whole "cant leave hell" or how time works and so on.
I just dont get why they couldnt have done the simplest thing and have Lucifer be a Therapist in hell as kind of his day job, 9 to 5.

From a writing standpoint its just so messed up just for the sake of yet another "afterlife" happy end.
Which i never got, not when Supernatural did that or the 100...and here neither.
Especially since you could easily have done both, given them a good life together and then have the final scene be as it is.
What is this weird obsession with this trope? I dont get it.
Am i as a fan of all the characters be really happy that Lucifer was never around? You introduced Rory and you want to tell me i should happy she didnt had a father around?
Why? Because of some weakly explained and built "higher purpose" crap...that they then showed the middle finger when Amenediel who became god and has the highest purpose...can have the time for his Son?

It just makes no sense when looking at the rest of the whole show...those last 30 Minutes make no sense in what the show told the viewer for the last 6 seasons.

Spoiler

Absolutely agree. And you know what's even more aggravating? One of the writers said in an interview that they had this immortal/mortal problem with Lucifer and Chloe and they were always going to have them separate. But no mention of Maze and Eve. Maze is immortal and even declared to Eve that she didn't care if Eve died (to be romantic) meaning she knew she was going to have to watch Eve die one day. They never said if Maze gave up her immortality (or if she even could) but they wanted Maze and Eve to ride off into the sunset together. I'm sorry, the main ship and the heart and soul of the show deserved that ending, not secondary characters that half the fandom doesn't care about. I feel like they wanted this ending for Deckerstar and forced the characters to make it that way even if it didn't fit with the story. And now the writers are doing interviews trying to explain the crap they didn't bother to show in the season. It's infuriating.

And they also mentioned how they wanted Lucifer to parallel his dad and abandon his own child. Why the **** would anyone want to see that? And to force him to do it because of some BS time loop rules that they made up half assed on the spot. It's so unsatisfying. We got so much heartache and then the last scene is them reuniting but nothing more. I wanted to see Chloe and Lucifer being therapists and visiting family in heaven and going to heaven beach with Rory.

 

[Flash525]

Spoiler

If Amenadiel can do double duty between Heaven and Earth, I genuinely don't see why Lucifer couldn't also do double duty between Hell and Earth.

As also said above, the whole timeline and/or time travel shenanigans is BS too, for the very simple reason that time shouldn't be fixed; if it is, a whole heap of things could've changed.

As series and season finals go, this could've been a whole lot worse, however unlike what Chloe said in that bed moment, I would have changed many things.

 

[Donner]

Spoiler

If Amenadiel can do double duty between Heaven and Earth, I genuinely don't see why Lucifer couldn't also do double duty between Hell and Earth.

As also said above, the whole timeline and/or time travel shenanigans is BS too, for the very simple reason that time shouldn't be fixed; if it is, a whole heap of things could've changed.

As series and season finals go, this could've been a whole lot worse, however unlike what Chloe said in that bed moment, I would have changed many things.

The showrunners did a Q & A and it was interesting

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So first of all they answered 4 of my questions so I'll pat myself on the back for that. Question 1 was did Lucifer visit Chloe and maybe do laundry while she was at the beach and did Chloe have a human body after she died so she could visit Rory on earth. They skirted around the first question and gave a non answer. But the interviewer asked a follow up if that meant Chloe was celibate and then they walked back their answer and said as long as he kept the loop intact he did visit. The second part of my question was no. Chloe is a heaven and hell gal.
Question 2 was how old is Rory. She's 50. Chloe was 90 when she died.
Question 3 was is Maze still immortal. She is and apparently she gets a happy ending with Eve but Deckerstar doesn't. I digress.
Question 4 was did Lucifer hold baby Rory. Yes.

Other things they answered were that they had a version where the loop was broken, but that would take away Rory's "choice" and so they didn't go with it. One of the showrunners, Joe, said he understood people's anger. It sounds like he's the one who likes the better endings and Ildy liked the angst. Clearly should have gone with Joe.

I am a little upset about Chloe being dead dead. It feels weird because Lucifer is still alive and can move between the celestial world and earth but Chloe can't follow. It just gives me an odd vibe.

All in all, I'm still mad but I'm happy that Lucifer was able to see Chloe. Really, keeping their relationship a secret from Rory could realistically be super easy until she was in her teens.

I still don't believe that they kept up the ideas of free will and choice in this season. Rory forced her dad to make a split second decision about leaving for hell before she was sucked back to the future. Thinking of 12 Monkeys (the TV series), Rory should not have been able to go back to the future until the "needed" part of the time loop (Lucifer going to hell) was set in place. I think introducing time travel was a horrible idea.