The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 2

[Frodo]

It's true that a year from now, a lot of people won't have heard about Miller's recent scandals, especially with the money being handed out left and right.
But it seems that the actor is not only having a nervous breakdown but apparently could have real mental problems. I think it's quite a safe bet to assume the lead of the movie will be pretty much absent from the promotion campaign and that unusual detail will 100% lead all the tabloids to reopen what happened a year before. There is no way this film will be released without a word about Miller's pathetic odyssey.
If people haven't heard about it know, they will when the spotlight will be on the movie.

Which has been my point to the argument that , " No one will know or care about Ezra's behavior when the film comes out".

That argument places alot of faith that the press will stay silent when such a major film is eventually released.

I just don't believe that's the case, unless, Ezra's team is able to debunk the most serious allegations before the film's release.

 

[dhandler01]

As for Batgirl, I cared about it before it was cancelled ,though alot of other DC fans didn't .
But that's a different issue.

I did too it is why I am annoyed by the faux outrage now.

 

[metaphysician]

This whole thing is insane. They cancelled Batgirl over nothing... yet they're going through all this bull**** just to release a movie with this trainwreck lead actor.

It's insane. "Batgirl was so bad it would've damaged the IP". Well, I can't ****ing imagine what this movie is gonna do to The Flash property. ****ing bull****.

Cynical postulate: the people making the decision inside WB don't think the intended audience for The Flash would actually be bothered by an actor abusing women.

 

[Frodo]

I did too it is why I am annoyed by the faux outrage now.

I've seen genuine outrage by some minority groups and activists at the idea of an Afro Latina led project being shelved , Zaslav and WBD certainly didn't do themselves any favors in the aftermath.

On the other I do think some of the other outrage, in fandom at least, is because of the optics.
It further affirms the narrative, in fandom, that " WB still doesn't have its ****, together".

Regardless of the reasoning behind shelving the film , or the quality of the film, etc. optics wise, it still looks bad to shelve your almost finished 90 million dollar film.
That's even if it pencils out business wise, and even if they feel it's the right call.

I know the move instilled confidence in alot of fans, but to other fans and the industry press, it instilled the opposite.

I certainly didn't agree with decision, and their attitude afterwards makes them an easy punching bag, so I feel zero sympathy of Zaslav and WBD in regards to the media coverage, and the backlash they've received over it.

But's that's how I feel.

 

[dhandler01]

I can understand why they shelved it...but yeah the optics are terrible and honestly they probably should have used the outpouring of support (for a film most didnt even know was happening) to flip flop and put it out there. It would have been almost critic proof on sheer goodwill alone. I don't agree with it and I was really hoping to watch it even if it wasnt great. The more we learn about how badly AT&T ran WB...the more it is a headscratcher because the writeoff is a drop in the bucket and the bad press is just not worth it.

Agreed on everything else...I just can't stand much of the mainstream press pretending to be upset about it just for the clicks. It is just so disingenuous.

 

[REDophile]

I said a while ago I'm skipping this one .

WB / DC is just constant non stop drama , even putting the Ezra situation aside.

The Nolan era was probably the most "peaceful" in terms of getting TDK trilogy casted, filmed, and in the can , drama free.

The" worse thing" they had to deal with was the recast of Rachel Dawes.

Yeah there was the Green Lantern disappointment ,and the JL Mortal project ,but those were speed bums compared to what the studio has dealt with over the past nine years with several of their projects.

WW, Aquaman and Shazam were drama free and reasonably successful. Well at least enough to get sequels.
When Muschietti was announced as the director I thought ok maybe WB/DC figured something good out, take their horror directors and give them a DC solo film to do. That worked with James Wan on Aquaman and David Sandberg on Shazam.
But even with someone other than Ezra as Flash the gist of the movie was always gonna be this breaking open the multiverse crossover event. Muschietti would rather do that than the solo Flash movie in development for so long. Just when I thought they were finally giving us DC movies that didn’t involve Superman or Batman. Sigh.

 

[antsman41]

The Nolan era was probably the most "peaceful" in terms of getting TDK trilogy casted, filmed, and in the can , drama free.

The" worse thing" they had to deal with was the recast of Rachel Dawes.

Not exactly true... yes, Nolan's trilogy production window wasn't toxic compared to the current DCEU drama; but we still had some.

HEATH LEDGER, died. Which changed the whole course of the trilogy (for the worse, in my mind). Even put Chris into a depressive state

Bane's voice debacle - which I think the og IMAX version was better. I hate the loud ADR redux voice.

No Chicago filming for TDKRises.

 

[Frodo]

Not exactly true... yes, Nolan's trilogy production window wasn't toxic compared to the current DCEU drama; but we still had some.

HEATH LEDGER, died. Which changed the whole course of the trilogy (for the worse, in my mind). Even put Chris into a depressive state

Bane's voice debacle - which I think the og IMAX version was better. I hate the loud ADR redux voice.

No Chicago filming for TDKRises.

Heath Ledger's death was after the production and was tragic of course.
But that's much different than the drama surrounding the DCEU in the past nine years , so that doesn't count imo.

The Bane voice debacle was a tempest in a teapot and only really matter to fanboys who were paying attention.

Yeah, Nolan changed it , but at the end of the day, the voice correction after the IMAX preview isn't even the type of incident that's even discussed today in relation to TDKR .
This is actually the first I've heard it even brought up in about 10 years.

I think the fact that the most we can point to is recasting of Dawes and Bane's voice, is a sign that the production of those films was pretty much drama free.

There's really zero comparison today if we're talking TDK.
My point still stands.

 

[antsman41]

Heath died in January... they literally had to edit around using takes that couldn't be ADR'd, because of that. Nolan had one of the biggest stars in one of the biggest films die. That is hard to deal with and he luckily pulled through.

It changed the whole initial release strategy. It affected the post-release strategy.

It affected the third film's timeframe and story.

Nolan's 8 year reign wasn't peaceful. But, as I stated - it wasn't toxic because he's a professional.

He's honestly only have had one bad on-paper casting choice w/ Katie (which wasn't even that bad and pushed her on him by WB) in his whole WB run from Insomnia thru Tenet.

Of course this is all not comparable, but HEATH died. You can't breeze over that and call TDK-Trilogy's production being peaceful. Such disrespect for Ledger and Nolan.

 

[Frodo]

Heath died in January... they literally had to edit around using takes that couldn't be ADR'd, because of that. Nolan had one of the biggest stars in one of the biggest films die. That is hard to deal with and he luckily pulled through.

It changed the whole initial release strategy. It affected the post-release strategy.

It affected the third film's timeframe and story.

Nolan's 8 year reign wasn't peaceful. But, as I stated - it wasn't toxic because he's a professional.

He's honestly only have had one bad on-paper casting choice w/ Katie (which wasn't even that bad and pushed her on him by WB) in his whole WB run from Insomnia thru Tenet.

Of course this is all not comparable, but HEATH died. You can't breeze over that and call TDK-Trilogy's production being peaceful. Such disrespect for Ledger and Nolan.

You're reaching and I really see no point to keep this discussion going.

The fact that you have to claim I'm disrespecting Nolan and Ledger is a sign you're grasping at straws and offensively so.

The fact that you'd even think of going there says all I need to know.

If you want to disagree fine, but if you can't do that without saying something like that , there's no point in even discussing this with you.

And I won't any further.

When you're ready to disagree respectfully , I'll talk to you .

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Heath died in January... they literally had to edit around using takes that couldn't be ADR'd, because of that.

I'd never even considered that.

 

[antsman41]

I'd never even considered that.

Plus, Nolan barely made it through the editing process... imagine seeing your dead actor (and friend) in/out everyday.

Chris really took Heath in on that set, as a filmmaker. Heath was just coming into his own - wanting to be more than an actor, there's a beautiful comment about him watching dailies over Chris' shoulder.

Luckily his and Ledgers' family got him thru it - highlighting that Ledger would want it out and to power though it.

It's so sad. I couldn't imagine. I try to read Nolan's "letter" to/for Heath every January... it's very powerful.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

It's so sad. I couldn't imagine. I try to read Nolan's "letter" to/for Heath every January... it's very powerful.

That is indeed a powerful - and insightful - read.

 

[REDophile]

Not all of the DC movies have been a mess- Aquaman and Shazam and at least the first WW. They had something good going- spin-offs from the Snyderverse that have little to do with it. Instead with or without Ezra this is more of a sequel to JL. Reinventing the wheel was working.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[Da-Scribe]

I’m just so curious as to what the mood is like on this production right now, especially when Miller is physically present.

 

[antsman41]

I’m just so curious as to what the mood is like on this production right now, especially when Miller is physically present.

 

[dhandler01]

I’m just so curious as to what the mood is like on this production right now, especially when Miller is physically present.

A lot of this going on...

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Seems like the rumor mill is starting to swirl for Keaton again. Now Ramey is hinting at something. He did the same thing before Keaton's return was announced back in June 2020... Hamada's multiverse plan continues? A Batman Beyond movie?

 

[zeptron]

Ezra Miller Returns for 'The Flash' Reshoots in Another Sign WB Is Sticking With the Actor - IGN

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Who knows... we'll see what happens.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

"Post Batgirl cancellation, many wondered about Michael Keaton’s future in the DCEU & whether his story changes in THE FLASH. We can confirm Keaton’s story remains as originally scripted."

Let's hope so.

 

[dhandler01]

So all the bs rumors by second rate clickbaiters were bs? I know I'm shocked...

 

[samsnee]

 

[Slick]

Well I feel like Ezra did the crime so he should do the time but I hope they put him in a mental facility so he can get help because I can definitely see from videos he is mentally ill and he ain’t made for prison and it would only harm him. But the downside is those places can also make him worse but who knows it might help so I don’t know really. It’s a sad situation.