Marvel Films The Marvel Studios News and Discussion Thread

[psylockolussus]

Yeah, for as much as the DP movies have been much more comic accurate than most of the other Fox movies, they still occasionally pull s*** like completely changing Peter and Yukio. They combined Marvel's love of self-deprecating jokes and Fox's uneasiness with direct adaptation

That was Pete Wisdom?:unsure:

 

[psylockolussus]

Don't see why it makes much of a difference really. It's only going to be one film and if it's good it will help with general MCU enthusiasm. We need the MCU to be in a positive place ahead of when X-Men launches so that it can take full advantage of general MCU goodwill as well as whatever it earns on its own merits.

I will believe it, thats its a 1 time thing when I see it. But Marvel Studios could do a Deadpool 4 before the Multiverse Saga ends and thats going to take 1 more slot into their release schedule. And foXverse characters could stay in the 616 reality even after the Multiverse Saga.

With all these delays, rumours of Marvel Studios going back to 3 films per year, Kang having an Avengers trilogy and the Multiverse Saga lasting til phase7en (2028?). Its hard to say.

 

[Bayne]

That was Pete Wisdom?:unsure:

There's a screenshot of his linkedin profile that calls him 'Peter W.'

Possibly an intentional joke, but the idea that its supposed to be Pete Wisdom is entirely fan-driven. It's not in the movie.

 

[psylockolussus]

See, him being Pete Wisdom is news to me. He was just an ordinary guy in the film. Well that was presented in the film.

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[psylockolussus]

And in 5 years, its going to be 20 years!!!

Its crazy looking back, that there was a shift in Superhero films specifically Marvel, when Iron Man was released and its crazy it happened 10 years after the first Blade film. And so much things have happened since then. We have now 66 modern live action films from Blade to Guardians 3. Thats crazy so many movies in 20+ years.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Well, since that was 2008, you can make the argument that there was a shift in superhero movies due to both Iron Man and, of course, The Dark Knight, given that both game out the same year.

 

[Another_Fool]

Pretty good sit down with those two. Really looking forward to when they do the one for Captain America First Avenger since Evans was the next most important cast member of the entire MCU.

But what I'd really put money down for is if they can manage to get Feige and Edward Norton together to do a 15 years later introspective of Incredible Hulk. Absolutely not going to happen, but that would be a very interesting one.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well, since that was 2008, you can make the argument that there was a shift in superhero movies due to both Iron Man and, of course, The Dark Knight, given that both game out the same year.

Eh, I wouldn't use The Dark Knight since it was a sequel to a 2005 film and its sequel pretty much ended the Dark Knight films, 4 years later.

Yes it did well but its not as a game changer as Iron Man.

 

[Hurm...]

Eh, I wouldn't use The Dark Knight since it was a sequel to a 2005 film and its sequel pretty much ended the Dark Knight films, 4 years later.

Yes it did well but its not as a game changer as Iron Man.

Woah, this is so far off-base. As someone who was around during that time, The Dark Knight had a much, much larger effect on the cultural zeitgeist than Iron Man. Iron Man was a big budget independent film focussed on a relatively unknown superhero that over-performed at the box office. It’s role in shaping the connective universe, IP-centric film industry would not be felt until many years later. It was seen as a very successful, clever commercial film.

The Dark Knight had months and months of build up with various effective, tonally subversive (for a superhero film) trailers prior to the film’s release. In addition to an innovative viral marketing campaign and Heath Ledger’s death, the moviegoing public was highly anticipating the film. And with its incredible critical reception, it was being presented as not just a “superhero” film, but a dramatically effective crime thriller — which has allowed audiences to view superhero films as ‘more’ than just popcorn flicks. It completely reshaped how production companies were tackling their material, and the genre was being taken more seriously.

Additionally, it was the highest grossing film of 2008 — making over a billion dollars which was unprecedented for a superhero film before that time. Heath Ledger also won the Oscar for his role in the film — which I believe was the first time someone had been nominated for an acting role in a superhero flick (now it’s become more commonplace as a result of TDK setting a new standard). For anyone who was deeply immersed in pop culture at that time, it’s a hard argument to compare The Dark Knight’s cultural impact to Iron Man. It was a much larger phenomenon on every level.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Eh, I wouldn't use The Dark Knight since it was a sequel to a 2005 film and its sequel pretty much ended the Dark Knight films, 4 years later.

Yes it did well but its not as a game changer as Iron Man.

That makes no sense. It being a sequel doesn't invalidate it being a game changer at all any more than, say, Terminator 2 being a CGI game-changer despite that movie also being a sequel.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yea to say that The Dark Knight was not a game changer is pretty laughable. For better or worse, it influenced how movies were made for years.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yea to say that The Dark Knight was not a game changer is pretty laughable. For better or worse, it influenced how movies were made for years.

I'm entitled to my own opinion.

The film is pretty overrated.

What movies did The Dark Knight open to aside its sequel? I'll wait.

 

[Filmfreak]

Liking the film or not, that's subjective.
The huge impact it had on pop culture and Hollywood is pretty objective.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

I'm entitled to my own opinion.

The film is pretty overrated.

What movies did The Dark Knight open to aside its sequel? I'll wait.

Overrated. Just another way of saying 'You shouldn't like this thing because too many people like it.' Which could equally be said about Iron Man, which itself is also a great film. You're entitled to your opinion, sure, but you haven't said in what way The Dark Knight isn't a game changer in a way that Iron Man is.

 

[DeadlyWest]

I'm entitled to my own opinion.

The film is pretty overrated.

What movies did The Dark Knight open to aside its sequel? I'll wait.

Skyfall
Black Panther
Winter Soldier

Just to name a few

Oh and it uh, you know...won a goddamn Oscar.

TDK having an impact isn't just to do with the movies it influenced. You cannot tell me with a straight face that anyone pre 2008 took superhero movies seriously enough that that was even possible, until TDK.

 

[psylockolussus]

Liking the film or not, that's subjective.
The huge impact it had on pop culture and Hollywood is pretty objective.

From google:
Gamechanger - an event, idea, or procedure that effects a significant shift in the current manner of doing or thinking about something.

I'd like you point out how The Dark Knight was a game changer for superhero films. Also winning an Oscar doesn't automatically make a film a game changer. Films win and are being nominated for the Oscars every year.

Lets go back to how The Dark Knight was a game changer for superhero films? Wb produced Jonah HeX, Green Lantern and Man of Steel years after it was released...

 

[DeadlyWest]

From google:
Gamechanger - an event, idea, or procedure that effects a significant shift in the current manner of doing or thinking about something.

I'd like you point out how The Dark Knight was a game changer for films. Also winning an Oscar doesn't automatically make a film a game changer. Films win and being nominated for the Oscars every year.

How does TDK being the first superhero movie to be nominated and win an Oscar not make it a game changer? It was the first time a superhero movie was taken seriously enough to be considered as such, the first time a performance in a superhero movie was taken seriously enough to be considered as such. The ripple effect that has, on the comic book movies made today, is absurd.

 

[psylockolussus]

How does TDK being the first superhero movie to be nominated and win an Oscar not make it a game changer? It was the first time a superhero movie was taken seriously enough to be considered as such. The ripple effect that has, on the comic book movies made today, is absurd.

Didn't stop Wb to produce Jonah HeX, Green Lantern and Man of Steel...

Aside from The Dark Knight and its sequels, most DC films until Wonder Woman were badly reviewed... so how did it effect superhero films? That is the main point of this discussion. I wasn't talking about the Oscars mind you!

And in 5 years, its going to be 20 years!!!


Its crazy looking back, that there was a shift in Superhero films specifically Marvel, when Iron Man was released and its crazy it happened 10 years after the first Blade film. And so much things have happened since then. We have now 66 modern live action films from Blade to Guardians 3. Thats crazy so many movies in 20+ years.

I was talking about superhero films SPECIFICALLY Marvel, but of course The Dark Knight had to be brought up like okay...

 

[psylockolussus]

Deadpool 3 Reportedly Features More Returning X-Men

Cyclops, Jean and Storm are finally back!

 

[DeadlyWest]

Didn't stop Wb to produce Jonah HeX, Green Lantern and Man of Steel...

Aside from The Dark Knight and its sequels, most DC films until Wonder Woman were badly reviewed... so how did it effect superhero films? That is the main point of this discussion. I wasn't talking about the Oscars mind you!


I was talking about superhero films SPECIFICALLY Marvel, but of course The Dark Knight had to be brought up like okay...

Okay?

The main discussion here, which was branched off of your mention of what movies highly influenced the direction of Marvel movies post 2008, is the legacy of TDK and whether or not it was a game changer, I'm sure you and everyone else will agree. You were initially talking about Marvel, but others expanded on that to comic book movies generally. That's just sorta what happens in a discussion. Anyway, the quality of superhero movies post TDK isn't the only metric to hold TDK against in terms of it being a game changer. My point is that culturally, TDK changed the game for superhero movies by getting the mainstream audience and even the film industry to take a superhero movie seriously enough that it was not only considered for an Oscar, but it won one. Hell, if it wasn't for some janky rules in 2008 with how movies were nominated, TDK could've even been nominated for Best Picture. Which for a superhero movie in the mid 2000s is mind blowing considering the other options at this point in time were X Men, the Raimi Spider-Man movies, Blade and Iron Man that same year. Great movies? Absolutely for the most part, Spider-Man 2 is my second favourite comic movie of all time. But they were never taken that seriously. TDK proved it was possible. Not just for a comic book movie to be taken that seriously, but for a performance in a comic book movie to be taken that seriously. And what that does for the cultural zeitgeist post 2008 is ridiculous.

Logan has a realistic chance of never getting made, Joker has a realistic chance of never getting made, Winter Soldier has a realistic chance of never getting made, The Batman has a realistic chance of never getting made, Black Panther has a realistic chance of never getting made, just about every movie in the DCEU has a very realistic chance of never getting made (for better or for worse, depending on who you are). There's a realistic chance we don't get Hugh Jackman as a Logan on his last legs trying to just get his mentor away from people, Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck, Sebastian Stan's Bucky Barnes, Robert Pattinson's Bruce Wayne, Michael B. Jordan's Erik Kilmonger, Henry Cavill's Clark Kent, Gal Gadot's Diana of Themyscira. TDK proving that comic book movies can be taken seriously enough that a man in poorly applied clown makeup and a Glasgow smile can get an Oscar abso-goddamn-lutely has a part to play in why we even got these performances and these movies in the way they come. You wanna argue the quality of the movies themselves? Gladly, but that's a separate discussion. That doesn't change the fact that these performances and these movies, as they were made, likely do not get made if it wasn't for The Dark Knight.

So yes. TDK was absolutely a game changer.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Didn't stop Wb to produce Jonah HeX, Green Lantern and Man of Steel...

I was talking about superhero films SPECIFICALLY Marvel, but of course The Dark Knight had to be brought up like okay...

Sure, you said specifically Marvel, but that shift in superhero films in 2008 is not and can never only be attributed to Iron Man. Conversely, that'd be like if someone said, for whatever reason, that there was a shift in superhero films in 2012 because of The Dark Knight Rises, when The Avengers is right there.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think Deadpool 3 now might be my most anticipated film of 2024.

Just seeing the Ot cast (not just Sir Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman) under Marvel Studios should be great. Like how Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire joined the MCU.

 

[Another_Fool]

I think Deadpool 3 now might be my most anticipated film of 2024.

Just seeing the Ot cast (not just Sir Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman) under Marvel Studios should be great. Like how Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire joined the MCU.

I think I'd be most excited to see James Marsden as Cyclops for sure. Dude's come a long way so him playing the character again would be pretty awesome.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think I'd be most excited to see James Marsden as Cyclops for sure. Dude's come a long way so him playing the character again would be pretty awesome.

Imagine if he finally got a great role. But let me keep my expectations in check. The teaser poster is heavily implying Deadpool v. the Wolverine, and Ryan Reynolds is the lead of the film.

So Cyclops, Jean and Storm are probably going to appear as long as the Professor in the Multiverse of Madness, if not less.

Unless somehow James Marsden, Famke Jannsen and Halle Berry pull a Andrew Garfield/Tobey Maguire importance in this film but this isn't a X-Men film.

But I think its a no brainer, this will lead to Secret Wars. The ultimate Multiverse smash up.