James Bond 24

[DarthSkywalker]

That never stopped Charlie Bronson now, did it?

This is not untrue.

 

[regwec]

CR is only Craig Bond film I like. SF was great but not great as CR. QOS was just terrible.

Skyfall was "great", but you didn't like it?

 

[Gianakin_]

In 2008, if it wasn't great it was bad. Nowadays, ubergreat is the new great.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

In 2008, if it wasn't great it was bad. Nowadays, ubergreat is the new great.

That is so true it is painful.

 

[Gianakin_]

I say we establish a binary rating system on SHH. Do away with pretenses.

 

[Two-Face]

Skyfall was "great", but you didn't like it?

It wasn't same level as CR, I like story, the girls, action and the villains (CR). Skyfall was great though I like it better than QOS.

 

[regwec]

Okay. I just don't understand how you can not "like" something you think is "great".

I would have thought that the condition of thinking something is great is synonymous with the condition of liking it.

 

[Two-Face]

I do like Skyfall but It wasn't the same level as CR that's all

My favourite Craig Bond films:

CR
Skyfall
QOS

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I do like Skyfall but It wasn't the same level as CR that's all

My favourite Craig Bond films:

CR
Skyfall
QOS

You mean your rankings right? Because you seemed to not like QoS.

 

[Two-Face]

Yep I don't like QOS.

 

[AnneFan]

Yup. Good thing with Craig is that his 007 has a story arc. Age could actually be a benefit here.

Yes, I know what you mean. Craig eats up the whole rugged, burnt out, gritty thing. He's got no worries.

 

[regwec]

The problem with giving Craig's Bond a story arc is that it potentially brings the series to a screeching halt once he leaves. If we have some kind of BS The Dark Knight Rises ending, then the only follow on is another bloody reboot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The problem with giving Craig's Bond a story arc is that it potentially brings the series to a screeching halt once he leaves. If we have some kind of BS The Dark Knight Rises ending, then the only follow on is another bloody reboot.

As long as we get the best Bond movies possibly, does it really matter?

 

[regwec]

Yes, it does, because the longevity of the series so far has been a product of the ambiguity of its chronological anchor.

I, personally, have absolutely no interest in seeing yet another reboot/origin of yet another movie franchise.

 

[AnneFan]

I don't think they'd have to do anything origin centric. Just get another actor in the role and Bond is given another mission to complete.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, it does, because the longevity of the series so far has been a product of the ambiguity of its chronological anchor.

I, personally, have absolutely no interest in seeing yet another reboot/origin of yet another movie franchise.

It basically reboots every time there is a new actor. They won't do another origin.

And honestly, it took 40 years and a "hard" reboot for the series to be good again.

 

[regwec]

I don't think they'd have to do anything origin centric. Just get another actor in the role and Bond is given another mission to complete.

That's fine, but I wouldn't call it a "reboot". It's just recasting the lead role, which they have done five times already.

 

[AnneFan]

That's fine, but I wouldn't call it a "reboot". It's just recasting the lead role, which they have done five times already.

Yes, that's right. It's all they need to do.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's fine, but I wouldn't call it a "reboot". It's just recasting the lead role, which they have done five times already.

No, it is a reboot every time. The passage of time, the time periods, the lack of continuity, the vastly different Bonds, and of course the fact that he started getting much, much younger.

 

[regwec]

I find that to be a rather idiosyncratic view. The loathed term "reboot" has only been around for about ten years anyway, and audiences used to be a bit more mature about understanding films were all make-believe and that the actors playing the roles could change.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I find that to be a rather idiosyncratic view. The loathed term "reboot" has only been around for about ten years anyway, and audiences used to be a bit more mature about understanding films were all make-believe and that the actors playing the roles could change.

It isn't simply the actors changing roles. It is how vastly different the character is, along with the world he inhabits. Moore is not playing the same Bond as Connery or Dalton. The guy that fought Red Grant is not the same guy who battled Mr. Big.

 

[Roose Bolton]

How is that any different from Batman using a gun against criminals in the 40s, fighting aliens in the 50s, doing the Batusi in the 60s, being a globetrotting sex god in the 70s, a demented thug in the 80s and a brooding anti-social prick in the 90s while all still being the same man?

There's a certain level of suspension of disbelief required when you use a sliding timescale and an ageless character, but if you don't wish to see it then I won't fault you for it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How is that any different from Batman using a gun against criminals in the 40s, fighting aliens in the 50s, doing the Batusi in the 60s, being a globetrotting sex god in the 70s, a demented thug in the 80s and a brooding anti-social prick in the 90s while all still being the same man?

There's a certain level of suspension of disbelief required when you use a sliding timescale and an ageless character, but if you don't wish to see it then I won't fault you for it.

You are actually proving my point. Batman and comics in general. They have used sci-fi and fantasy elements to explain all of that. Separate worlds, literal universal reboots, etc.

That is why "Whatever Happened to the Many of Tomorrow" exist. Why Superman of the Golden Age met up with Modern Age Superman in Infinite Crisis. Why events like The Crisis of Infinite Earths and Flashpoint happen. So you can reboot and keep the characters basically the same age and change what you like about them.

In DC's own continuity, Golden Age Superman, Silver Age Superman and modern Superman are not the same character. The same applies to Batman. Why Batman's continuity started again with Year One.

 

[Roose Bolton]

So I take it you haven't read Grant Morrisons Batman run?

 

[chamber-music]

If we get another euro villain I would like Vincent Cassel or Nikolaj Coster-Waldau.

I hope we see the return of New M, Moneypenny, Q, Tanner and Felix.