Pirates of the Caribbean 5

[Quasimod0]

I'd be all for Jolly Roger. I played quite a bit of the online game.
And yeah I want the original Black pearl crew back! They were the highlights of the first 3 for me

 

[Lord]

Never really played the game much, but it seems like a waste to limit such a character, with the most iconic look of this franchise since Davy Jones, into a finished online game that from what i see in the wikia never even concluded his story.

The crew was one of my favorite parts in the original trilogy, you could argue that it was a bit overcrowded, but in least we had a full crew where each character was unique.

Seems crazy to think that Dead Man's Chest is almost 10 years old, if it goes on like this, then i can see its effects still holding well some 20 years after it was released. I'dd even go as far as to say that the effects are as good as the ones in any other recent blockbuster.

 

[Erzengel]

Well it was ILM.

 

[Lord]

So what? It's not as if all of the effects they've done have been completelly loved, Davy Jones is still one of their best works. The effects in Curse of the Black Pearl crew for example isn't really that amazing.

By the way, anybody think Will and Elizabeth should return? They're not universally loved, but much of the public still liked them and a reunion with the original cast would certainly bring in a lot of money in the box office. Though what i think the franchise really needs is an end goal, in On Stranger Tides it seemed like they weren't sure about what they wanted to do, while with 2 and 3 it was obvious that they were trying to lead into a grand climax

 

[Erzengel]

Still got nominated for an Academy Award for visual effects.

They need someone to kind of star the movies. If they use Will and Elizabeth it'd have to be 10 years later which is actually getting to that point. Wondering if his character is free after 10 years or he only gets one day on land every 10 years.

The character of Jack Sparrow can't carry a movie without help.

 

[Lord]

That's true, but i don't think it has aged near as well as Davy Jones.

Kind of agree, in Stranger Tides i felt like there was too much of Jack Sparrow and not enough to balance it out, i think he's usually better when interacting with other characters. I found DMC to have the right dose, in least to me. About Will, the DVD info says one thing, while the filmmakers say another, acording to the card that came with the box set, he will never be free, while the filmmakers themselves have stated that because of his love with Elizabeth and staying true to his duties on the Dutchman, he will one day be free of the curse.

You're right, we're getting very close to 10 years since the release of AWE, and at this pacing i'm not even sure the 5th film will be released in the planned date, they might as well return to Will's Story with Jack as Secondary.

 

[Donut]

Having a movie where Will gets freed would not be a bad thing if you ask me. Its certainly been long enough

 

[Lord]

The question is, what would it be about in order to sustain an entire movie? You would also need to put Jack Sparrow in there some way.

Depp apparently has high expectations for the 5th movie, and says it will probably be the last.

http://entertainment.inquirer.net/139669/depp-has-high-hopes-for-pirates-5

5 doesn't seem that bad of a number to end, though i was originally hoping On Stranger Tides would have been closed enough in order to be a kind of Epilogue to the Trilogy, dealing with Jack's quest for Imortality, i actually found it a bit weird how in the 4th film he was suddenly uninterested in getting that, i know he didn't want to become like Davy Jones, but he was still ready to become the captain of the Flying Dutchman if it wasn't for Will dying. Then there was also the post-credits scene pretty much leaving another thread open.

After what the 2nd and 3rd films did with the plot, it feel like they would need to make a final instalment grand in scope, my vote would be on letting the 5th film be another relativelly stand alone story, and then doing 6 and 7 back-to-back. I remember some people mentioning the Spanish from OST as villains for the next ones, which wouldn't be a bad way to go.

 

[Donut]

The question is, what would it be about in order to sustain an entire movie? You would also need to put Jack Sparrow in there some way.

Depp apparently has high expectations for the 5th movie, and says it will probably be the last.

http://entertainment.inquirer.net/139669/depp-has-high-hopes-for-pirates-5

5 doesn't seem that bad of a number to end, though i was originally hoping On Stranger Tides would have been closed enough in order to be a kind of Epilogue to the Trilogy, dealing with Jack's quest for Imortality, i actually found it a bit weird how in the 4th film he was suddenly uninterested in getting that, i know he didn't want to become like Davy Jones, but he was still ready to become the captain of the Flying Dutchman if it wasn't for Will dying. Then there was also the post-credits scene pretty much leaving another thread open.

After what the 2nd and 3rd films did with the plot, it feel like they would need to make a final instalment grand in scope, my vote would be on letting the 5th film be another relativelly stand alone story, and then doing 6 and 7 back-to-back. I remember some people mentioning the Spanish from OST as villains for the next ones, which wouldn't be a bad way to go.

I guess they could always have Wills now grown up son hunt down Jack Sparrow after finding a way to free dad & he asks Jack & co for help ? Making the new lead Wills son

 

[Lord]

Not sure about the idea of passing the torch, as much as i like the series, it will probably have to finish once Sparrow is out, and unlike Indiana Jones, i don't see him being recast at any point, so Depp is going to be the one deciding when the franchise has to stop. The problem with passing the torch is that it usually doesn't work, because the the new characters (usually related by blood to the protagonist) normally are kind of boring.

But if they went with the idea of Will's offspring, i think the best idea would be for it to be a daughter, could be the female lead (but obviously not as a romantic interest for Jack, that would end up being creepy) and there really aren't all that many female heroines nowadays, we've already gotten plenty of Male "everyman" leads.

Ups, forgot that in the post-credits scene it was a boy, then i guess it would have to be a male lead, but you would need to make him more interesting than Will was.

By the way, anybody heard of a planned Pirates of the Caribbean animated show called Swashbucklers? Not sure if there rumors were true, but they would explain the use of these animated designs:

 

[Octoberist]

it's weird that there never a toyline. Not for collectors but strictly for kids.

 

[Erzengel]

Outside of Sparrow, Balbossa, Jones, Will, it's not a lot of variety.

 

[Octoberist]

It's enough. Plus you have Jones' crew. And the 'zombies' from part 4. Blackbeard, etc.

 

[Erzengel]

It's enough for collectors not kids.

I mean that's one of the reasons shows like Young Justice are said not to have made, didn't make enough money in commercialized toys and how many heroes and villains do you have.

And honestly, who is going to want to play with a Pintel or Ragetti.

 

[Octoberist]

Every child in the world wants to play with a Pintel and Ragetti.

 

[Lord]

I remember when i was younger and wanting Pirates of the caribbean toys, yet never found many, i'm quite sure it would sell, The Original Star Wars trilogy didn't have that much variety either if you want to campare to how it is right now. Hell, if you wanted to expand it, you could have made the planned animated series, would probably best to make it set in Jack's younger years like the books.

But to be honest, you don't really need any of that for PotC toys to sell, just to release them.

 

[Erzengel]

Much different. If you take a look at the original 12 figures released with the potential of more? It's not like you could have that many different Jack Sparrows.

Plus when Star Wars was released the market was wide open. Now you are competing with so many other toylines.

 

[Vartha]

it's weird that there never a toyline. Not for collectors but strictly for kids.

There WAS a toyline early on. Tho I don't recall who was making what

 

[Lord]

-Jack Sparrow
-Barbossa
-Will Turner
-Elizabeth
-Davy Jones
-Skeleton crew
- Fish guy 1, 2, etc
-Bill Turnet
-Cuttler Beckett
-Admiral Norrington
-Blackbeard
-Angelica
-Pintel and Ragetti
-Calipso
-Pirate Lords

And so on and on, it's just as big as you want it to be, as long as you have good and bad guys to fight each others you're set, it's not as if kids were going to see the collection with the most toys, they're not going to prefer a franchise that has 20 toys just because Pirates only has some 12.

To me it seems like making a lot of excuses to not release a certain toyline, expecially when PotC is such a strong brand, every Toyline stars with a limited number, you use them to test the audience and if successul, then you move on.

 

[Erzengel]

Kids are going to want to play with certain figures. Star Wars had 5-6 different costumes for the same character. Is there a real difference between POTC and OST Jack Sparrow?

Plus in terms of playsets? What do you have a few ships? Maybe that cave they fought in POTC?

And, let's face it. For as much money as Pirates made, it's no Star Wars especially in terms of impacting popular culture.

And I brought it up earlier, Young Justice and Green Lantern had poor selling merchandising which caused it to be canceled. Even with that type of variety, there's no guarantee it'd be best sellers.

And considering this is Disney, they must have good reason not releasing a toy brand especially since they made sequels to the worst reviewed Pixar movie because it's popular with kids. It's more conceivable that they thought the better way was just Lego and McFarlane toys. Disney loves itself some marketing.

 

[Vartha]

But if Disney doesn't sell them in stores other than their own it's hard to promote product.
At one time there were TONS of PotC toys at walmart but they just didn't sell

-Jack Sparrow
-Barbossa
-Will Turner
-Elizabeth
-Davy Jones
-Skeleton crew
- Fish guy 1, 2, etc
-Bill Turnet
-Cuttler Beckett
-Admiral Norrington
-Blackbeard
-Angelica
-Pintel and Ragetti
-Calipso
-Pirate Lords

And so on and on, it's just as big as you want it to be, as long as you have good and bad guys to fight each others you're set, it's not as if kids were going to see the collection with the most toys, they're not going to prefer a franchise that has 20 toys just because Pirates only has some 12.

To me it seems like making a lot of excuses to not release a certain toyline, expecially when PotC is such a strong brand, every Toyline stars with a limited number, you use them to test the audience and if successul, then you move on.

 

[Lord]

An update by the Disney Chairman

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/04/24/disney-chairman-updates-pirates-of-the-caribbean-5

An obvious update though, that the script isn't ready yet and they're not sure when to start filming.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I hope the movie goes ahead, I really dont want the poor 4th movie to be the last in the franchise. I cant them getting back to the level of the 1st movie, but at the same level of movies 2 and 3 I would be happy as I did like them.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Honestly, if this doesn't happen I don't mind. I liked the fourth film and despite its flaws got back to some of the basics as the first and was one of the more enjoyable films of 2011 for me.

But if it does, it better go out strong. Really give it a sense of finality. Make it truly about the last days of Jack Sparrow as a pirate. Make it actually mean something for the character and remind us why we loved him in the first place.

 

[Quasimod0]

There were multiple toy lines. The last 3 movies have had toy lines.