Hellboy Hellboy: Rise of the Blood Queen

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Going to see this Wednesday still but my anticipation is way down.

 

[Detective Conan]

This was basically the same case with Return To Oz, and yet that movie went on to be considered a much praised cult favorite.

Good example but the biggest thing going against this film is that it seems to not have a unique and distinctive identity enough to set it apart from the previous films

Case in point: Going with your 'Return Of Oz' example; that movie stirred negative reactions initially because the movie was taking a unique and unexpected direction by hewing closer to the darker, scarier tone of Frank Baum's original stories. That movie had something fresh that set it apart from other renditions of the story. This iteration of Hellboy doesn't seem to be the case as really aside from the violence being taken up a notch there doesn't seem to be anything about that's particularly memorable that sets it apart from the Del Toro versions. If anything, I've seen critics lament the film doesn't really do anything that the original movies didn't do much better.

So I just don't see the movie catching on as a cult classic.

 

[rogue trooper]

Good example but the biggest thing going against this film is that it seems to not have a unique and distinctive identity enough to set it apart from the previous films

Case in point: Going with your 'Return Of Oz' example; that movie stirred negative reactions initially because the movie was taking a unique and unexpected direction by hewing closer to the darker, scarier tone of Frank Baum's original stories. That movie had something fresh that set it apart from other renditions of the story. This iteration of Hellboy doesn't seem to be the case as really aside from the violence being taken up a notch there doesn't seem to be anything about that's particularly memorable that sets it apart from the Del Toro versions. If anything, I've seen critics lament the film doesn't really do anything that the original movies didn't do much better.

So I just don't see the movie catching on as a cult classic.

I think time will tell what potential elements this movie will have for further viewers to pick up on. For one, there's David Harbour's portrayal of Hellboy, which offers more angst than Perlman's. There's also more time spent in the relationship between Hellboy and Broom, with McShane bringing with him his own take on the character. You also have different characters not in the previous films, which can be a "lush" to comic fans and also offers distinct visuals in locations as well as distinct and fun elements in the villainy-factor. An argument can also be made that Marshall stuck closer to the comics than Del Toro, as well as Marshall bringing in a distinct style than Del Toro. I can see this movie being appreciated for having an even more fun-factor than Del Toro's.

...but hey, clearly you and I saw a different movie.

 

[lespaul59]

Well, I don't know about The Big Lebowski, Donnie Darko, or Spinal Tap, but I think it's not far off from being spoken in the same breadth as the Evil Dead films.

Pattom Oswalt could have lengthy talk with you about its potential cult status.



.....oh, and according to Doctor Strange- director Scott Derrickson, "It struck a tone that was really perfect for the character and the style of it was unexpectedly artful and specific. When I saw Daredevil I thought, ‘Wow, that looks a lot like Lexi’s movie.’ People made such a big deal about Logan when it came out and the rating…Punisher: War Zonewasn’t just a hard, R-rated, ultra-violent movie but it was in service of a hard, R-rated, ultra-violent comic.”

Can someone please explain to me how a non comedic movie being funnier than a comedic movie is a good thing? I've tried to give Punisher: War Zone a second and third chance and I just don't get it outside of being so bad it's good. But again is that really a good thing?

One of the things that has kinda been a turn off of the new Hellboy for me is he sounds to close to Ron Pearlman. When I saw the first trailer for the first time I was caught off guard by how close HB sounded to RP and I actually checked to make sure I was watching the right trailer. Ultimately I just decided to wait till at least the Blu Ray comes out maybe even til it comes on tv.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, I don't know about The Big Lebowski, Donnie Darko, or Spinal Tap, but I think it's not far off from being spoken in the same breadth as the Evil Dead films.

Pattom Oswalt could have lengthy talk with you about its potential cult status.



.....oh, and according to Doctor Strange- director Scott Derrickson, "It struck a tone that was really perfect for the character and the style of it was unexpectedly artful and specific. When I saw Daredevil I thought, ‘Wow, that looks a lot like Lexi’s movie.’ People made such a big deal about Logan when it came out and the rating…Punisher: War Zonewasn’t just a hard, R-rated, ultra-violent movie but it was in service of a hard, R-rated, ultra-violent comic.”

This is nice. The idea that it is a cult classic that is going to gain prominence with how well the Netflix series went over, is just not true. There is a reason you have come up with 4 examples. That isn't a sea change. All movies have such supporters. No movie is going to gain any legit status, when their a version that the vast majority prefer. Especially with a definitive actor in their mind.

 

[Lucellit]

I know that BO prediction isn't high but I was sure it would be #2. But bested by not one, but two body swap movies.
I heard some people enjoyed it, and RT audience score is fresh, so hope for the best and perhaps more would be into the movie.

 

[rogue trooper]

This is nice. The idea that it is a cult classic that is going to gain prominence with how well the Netflix series went over, is just not true. There is a reason you have come up with 4 examples. That isn't a sea change. All movies have such supporters. No movie is going to gain any legit status, when their a version that the vast majority prefer. Especially with a definitive actor in their mind.

If that were the case, I doubt On Her Majesty's Secret Service would ever become the much appreciated Bond-film that it is today.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If that were the case, I doubt On Her Majesty's Secret Service would ever become the much appreciated Bond-film that it is today.

OHMSS is a movie I love. It isn't a cult hit. It also isn't close to the most popular Bond film.

 

[rogue trooper]

OHMSS is a movie I love. It isn't a cult hit. It also isn't close to the most popular Bond film.

It was a movie that divided fans and critics when it came out. I'd say that's "cult". Your last point would actually also state that it is a cult.

.....I guess it would all come down to what "legit status" is to you.

 

[The Infernal]

Cult means relatively small, but strong following. Saying a movie is devisive isn't proof it has a cult following. A movie can be devisive and have an audience either too large or too small to call a cult following.

Also, implying that the film may be the least popular Bond movie does not mean it has a cult status. Unpopular and cult status are not synonymous.

 

[rogue trooper]

Cult means relatively small, but strong following. Saying a movie is devisive isn't proof it has a cult following. A movie can be devisive and have an audience either too large or too small to call a cult following.

Also, implying that the film may be the least popular Bond movie does not mean it has a cult status. Unpopular and cult status are not synonymous.

A movie with a cult following can be one that is unpopular with mainstream audiences and critics but has a significant fanbase that grows overtime. OHMSS was a film that critics initially lambasted and was the least popular Bond film for some time with mainstream audiences who preferred Connery and/or had already embraced Roger Moore, bit it did have its small but loyal following that grew. Hence there was that "division" that I refer to.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

While this wasn’t what I would describe as good, it isn’t as bad as the critics make out. That’s not an endorsement exactly, but I would say if you have read the comics, this is definitely worth a watch.

As a reader and fan of the comics, it was just a thrill seeing the likes of Gruagagh, the Baba Yaga, her chicken leg house and the likes of Hellboy’s

Spoiler: Spoilers

birth, his human mother, and him being the last surviving member of the King Arthur bloodline, along with seeing Merlin and Hellboy being able to wield Excalibur

, as well as Nimue herself, Hellboy wrestling with vampires in Mexico and a lot of other things from the comics on the big screen. The problem was the movie was a series of moments stitched together instead of a coherent movie. It’s such a shame, as there is a good movie fighting to get out here. The cast is mostly great, Harbour nails it, Milla Jovovich hams it up to all hell and is still gorgeous to boot, and McShane provides ample support along with Dae Kim. Have to say also making Gruagagh a scouser had me lol’ing even as a scouser myself.

The set up was perfect also, it’s pretty obvious ego’s got in the way of this movie reaching its full potential and that just angers me, as millions have to suffer due to the ego’s of a few. The sequel set up was great too, I kinda hope we see the sequel as they have the ingredients for a decent franchise, but it’s doubtful now, again such a shame. 5/10, entertaining if you have read the comics, you may be a bit lost otherwise.

 

[Yowza]

I just can't stop randomly going to the various trailers...

It's trying to be an obnoxious tentpole movie and music really grates on me but almost has an odd sort of toxic avenger vibe to it that's hard to unwitness. Yet, there are elements in it that look top notch as well like the set design and makeup for a movie around 60 million is really good even by today's high technology standards.

It's one of those films I'll likely youtube clips of to watch in snippets and be like oh my gosh... Then hold off and have to watch other snippets time and again but can only take so much at 1 time.

That being said, I think Neil Marshall is an excellent director and sure he really applied some skill to the piece. I've seen a number of his other films and they're actually pretty interesting throughout and he's got a good skill as a filmmaker even if some of the content isn't really palatable at times. I'm not sure how twisted things get in this movie but some of the negative reviews seem to come across as regarding it as dreadful meaning certain parts probably unsettled/weirded out to a degree especially as this film really seems to be hamming things up in parts.

 

[Pennywise]

Stumbled upon this on Facebook!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A movie with a cult following can be one that is unpopular with mainstream audiences and critics but has a significant fanbase that grows overtime. OHMSS was a film that critics initially lambasted and was the least popular Bond film for some time with mainstream audiences who preferred Connery and/or had already embraced Roger Moore, bit it did have its small but loyal following that grew. Hence there was that "division" that I refer to.

No movie that makes the equivalent of 560 million today, can be considered a cult classic.

 

[Snow Queen]

My favourite cult classics are Iron Man (585.2m) and WALL-E (533.3m).

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[samsnee]

It probably would have done better going straight to a streaming service.

No one is touching this property for the big screen for a long time, if ever again.

Todd McFarlane, I hope you're paying attention. You've been wanting a Spawn sequel forever but be careful what you wish for.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Spawn reboot is Blumhouse (so on the "cheap" side) I think they will be fine. Just make it good.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

It probably would have done better going straight to a streaming service.

No one is touching this property for the big screen for a long time, if ever again.

Todd McFarlane, I hope you're paying attention. You've been wanting a Spawn sequel forever but be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, they should've just cut their losses and sent this to Netflix.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wow that’s bad

Any update n the international numbers?

 

[Slick]

Well where I live at my local theater tomorrow is discount Tuesday so I plan on seeing Hellboy and Shazam.

 

[Gee]

Spawn reboot is Blumhouse (so on the "cheap" side)

 

[Mandon Knight]

Wow that’s bad

Any update n the international numbers?

This is as close as I can get to them....

Hellboy (2019) - Financial Information

 

[samsnee]

The budget was about $50M without marketing (which honestly shouldn't have been much) so while still a loss, not a complete disaster I guess.