Discussion: UK Politics

Considering they had be dragged kicking and screaming into giving anything at all, it's no surprise they tried to find ways to undermine it.

It seems whenever they are implementing something the first order of business is seeing if it can be outsourced to a party donor who can squeeze profit out of it.
 
Sad thing is, I think if you re-did the referendum today, Leave would still win.
A very large portion of people voted Leave because they were scared of immigrants and I doubt many of them have changed their minds on that.
 
unfortunately.... there were so many questions about leaving that i could never get answers to, which was the main reason i voted to remain, as everyone only cared about stopping the evil foreigner from getting into the country...

even though we've now made it much easier for them to slip in
 
Sad thing is, I think if you re-did the referendum today, Leave would still win.
A very large portion of people voted Leave because they were scared of immigrants and I doubt many of them have changed their minds on that.

Exactly that hence why I thought Labour were right to ditch the freedom of movement pledge. Can't see a real movement to rejoin picking up pace for at least a generation.

It is interesting though, all the talk of controlling our borders, sovereignty, red tape bonfire, fish etc all these other reasons for voting brexit fallen by the wayside within a fortnight. All that's left now is we've made it harder for foreigners and for whatever reason that's all some of England needs.
 
unfortunately.... there were so many questions about leaving that i could never get answers to, which was the main reason i voted to remain,

That's the funny thing with all this, I looked at the lack of answers, I looked at the characters behind leave and I thought I didn't trust them enough to gamble. We were given such an important decision despite the fact we all knew so little
 
That's the funny thing with all this, I looked at the lack of answers, I looked at the characters behind leave and I thought I didn't trust them enough to gamble. We were given such an important decision despite the fact we all knew so little

This is inherently undemocratic. Democracy, at its very essence, requires a knowledge and understanding of the issues. Some people have this mechanistic view of democracy "Oh. I voted. It's democratic.". An example of this are those votes we cast where we've never heard of either candidate and the candidate with the cooler name wins or some proposition where the only things we know come from the very group that is trying to push it through (of defeat it) and is a major reason we all need to reform the process
 
I think the tears of those crying about not being able to vacation in Spain as easily any more are the sweetest.
I remember speaking to a Brexit COVID denier back in March last year who was adamant they were going on their annual Spain holiday in a couple of months. I said no, that’s not happening, and they said they’re going whatever and no one can stop them. Eh yeah, Spain can stop you lol. Looking forward to the 1 year anniversary of that coming up. :D
 
Closing in on 100,000 covid deaths, you'd think it'd be hard for them to create a bigger disaster than Brexit, but they still managed it.
 
The problem's been the 2nd variant of the virus.... things were mostly under control when it was just the original variant.
 
Viruses mutating isn’t a new thing though. It could still yet mutate into something worse, and the more transmissions the more opportunities.
 
You can't blame it all on the new variant. As an island nation Britain had the same opportunity Australia and New Zealand had to enact strict quarantines for new arrivals. They locked down international travel in March, and had competent track and trace systems.
Instead the UK government deliberately allowed the virus to spread though the population.
 
the UK made a lot of errors yes, but you can't ignore that we seemed to be getting a handle on things before the variant appeared...

Though the variant only appeared because the UK people refuse to listen to the rules... Masks even now, in my area which has the worst case & death count AFAIK, are rarely seen when i go out... people refuse to listen and take stock of the risks.... most of the time using the old, lame, tired excuse about how Cummings got away with it, so why should they follow the rules....
 
I don't think things were being handled, we were just going through a cycle of spikes and lockdowns.
A lot of people didn't follow the rules because the government gave unclear or contradictory advice.
The Cummings thing did make a difference and that was the governments fault. If he had been sacked immediately, it sends a clear message to the public that this kind of behaviour isn't acceptable, that it endangers lives. Instead, they chose to cover for him, sending the message that the rules aren't actually that serious, that breaking them isn't so bad afterall. A large part of this is effectively communicating with the public, and they bungled that.
There are also a lot of people who broke the rules because they had to.
If you are told you have to self isolate, but get no support for doing so, it puts people who can't work from home in a dilemma. If self isolating means losing earnings when you are barely making ends meet, a lot of people are going to chose not to simply to put food on the table.

They are to blame for failing to make the public take this seriously enough.
They are to blame for leaving borders open and allowing reinfection from abroad.
They are to blame for the absolute shambles that was made of test and trace.
They are to blame for not supporting and enforcing self isolation.
They are to blame for going for treating this like a flu and letting it run through the populace, rather than take the extermination model which let other countries return to normalcy months ago. You don't get any new variants coming out of South Korea, or New Zealand, because they took stern measures and wiped it out. The new variant is a symptom of the governments failures, not an excuse for them.
 
Had Cummings been sacked... then the media would have used someone else to give the public an excuse for their actions.

The Government have screwed up.... but it's dangerous to put all the blame on them and them alone. We the public have equal blame for what's going on
 
Equal blame? I don't think you can go that far. A big problem along with those mentioned is that there's a ton of bat**** lockdown sceptics in Boris's party who he previously gave great prominence to because they were pro brexit. Look at the amount of airtime loons like Steve Baker get.
 
There's more to that story than is being told i bet....you don't randomly arrest a journalist for criminal damage if they've taken photos
 
Lord Buckethead has returned!

Our intergalactic champion is now reborn under the name Count Binface (due to copyright infringements legal issues). He is running for Mayor of London

 
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