Bought/Though July 26th

Dread said:
That's why I gave Grant Morrison the middle name of "Nothing is Too Bizarre or Wordy" last page. ;) I don't care for this direction either. He's obviously going against the grain, but that can backfire.


Heh I didn't enjoy morrisons first issue that much for the exact opposite reason!! I thought it was just too standard, too safe, too non-morrison. I wanted some craziness!!! Perhaps due to a kubert (who at times was channeling jim lee's batman something fierce) on art but it just read and looked like an average marvel comic to me.

:)
 
MyPokerShirt said:
^wait, didnt a runaway just die you sick ****.lol

lol... I think, and this is a credit to Brian K Vaughn, that I have loved all of the Runaways this volume. I finnished reading Volume One today, and I knew Alex was the traitor (the only thing I knew about volume One), and I just couldn't find it in myself to like him. Nico kept sucking face with him and I was yelling (in my head... not out loud... that'd be KERAZY!!!) "What?! Quit it! Even though you haven't met him yet, Victors the one for you!!"

Sorry.... rant there.:(
 
gildea said:
Heh I didn't enjoy morrisons first issue that much for the exact opposite reason!! I thought it was just too standard, too safe, too non-morrison. I wanted some craziness!!! Perhaps due to a kubert (who at times was channeling jim lee's batman something fierce) on art but it just read and looked like an average marvel comic to me.

:)


I agree with this, Morrison is playing him straight, which I dont really mind. Its about time I think he plays somehting straight, not everything has to be weird and all over the place, but this is only the first issue it seems like it will get crazier.
 
Yeah we have the promise of a ninja man bat army next issue!!

:)
 
Spiderman losing to Captain America who is inferior to him makes me uneasy. I know, I know Cap is a hero, stands for freedom, apple pie, blah, blah, blah. But Spiderman outclasses him in speed, strength, agility, intelligence. 10 out of 10 times Pete should beat his ass. I haven't seen the comic yet but hopefully they show that Spidey's heart just wasn't into it. Hopefully the writers make it up by Spidey completely thrashing shellhead.
 
iron man really needs his drunken disillusioned metal ass handed to him, preferably by someone sucky.
spider-man should do the trick. :o
 
You know what would make Civil War the best goddamn thing that Marvel has ever produced? Speedball being the one to defeat Iron Man.
 
Kotagg said:
You know what would make Civil War the best goddamn thing that Marvel has ever produced? Speedball being the one to defeat Iron Man.
That'd be great. It won't happen. Marvel's too busy being "edgy". "Edgy", believe it or not, is not the same as having balls. Its more pretentious.
 
Can't believe I forgot about this.

Infinite Crisis Aftermath: The Spectre #3
It's over? Already:(?

That's pretty much the only thing I find objectionable about this; there was so many things to like, so many interesting ideas, so much characterization and build-up, and I guess compared to all that this issue can't help but to feel a bit anti-climatic. It felt like Cris caved in to the Spectre's "role" for him a bit too quickly, especially after all the objections he's had. And it felt like the Spectre allowed Cris to take the reigns too easily, especially after all this posturing he's done. I had to check the front cover to make sure I didn't accidentally miss an issue.

Then the big climax of Cris needing to choose the necessity of "judging" his son came, and, well...the guy didn't even put up a fight, just gave a very emo "I know" and went about his business. It was very emotional, and written very well, but it still felt too quick.

Still, would I recommend this series? Abso-f'in-lutely. It was an incredibly intelligent look into the identity of the Spectre and the character of this man. I didn't mind Hal Jordan as the Spectre -- it was ballsy at the least and fit in the context of all that mess he went through -- but I'm really looking forward to Crispus Allen's tenure.

(8 out of 10)
 
ssj wolverine said:
Spiderman losing to Captain America who is inferior to him makes me uneasy. I know, I know Cap is a hero, stands for freedom, apple pie, blah, blah, blah. But Spiderman outclasses him in speed, strength, agility, intelligence. 10 out of 10 times Pete should beat his ass. I haven't seen the comic yet but hopefully they show that Spidey's heart just wasn't into it. Hopefully the writers make it up by Spidey completely thrashing shellhead.

Read the comic. It's not what some people are making it out to be. Just because Spider-Man has the speed and agility of a spider, and his spider sense doesn't make him a better fighter than Captain America.

As I said, read the comic. And I mean it...actually read it. Because I don't think a lot of people on the boards these days are really reading their comics anymore. :O
 
SpideyInATree said:
...I don't think a lot of people on the boards these days are really reading their comics anymore. :O

haha, yeah i love it when people start threads about how rubbish things are and then go... "but i actually don't read spider-man these days so..."

it was a good issue, but i still refuse to believe spidey could ever lose to cap. when it comes down to it power levels make a huge difference. spider-man should never beat thor, cap should never beat SM. but thats just my opinion i guess
 
MyPokerShirt said:
it was a good issue, but i still refuse to believe spidey could ever lose to cap. when it comes down to it power levels make a huge difference. spider-man should never beat thor, cap should never beat SM. but thats just my opinion i guess

First off...did Spider-Man or Captain America outright declare victory on one another in this issue? No. Because Captain America left the fight to help the people who he's sided with.

Second off...as I said just earlier...just because Spider-Man has "better" super powers than Captain America doesn't make him a better fighter than Cap. What makes Captain America such a great hero and great character is that he's constantly beating combatants who are stronger than he is simply because he's a better fighter, and a better tactician.

Spider-Man himself said it in the issue.
 
It's about damn time that Amazing Spider-Man stopped being so damn stale. Civil War has done wonders for the book in my opinion.
 
^i agree that civil war has been great for the book.

SpideyInATree said:
First off...did Spider-Man or Captain America outright declare victory on one another in this issue? No. Because Captain America left the fight to help the people who he's sided with.

Second off...as I said just earlier...just because Spider-Man has "better" super powers than Captain America doesn't make him a better fighter than Cap. What makes Captain America such a great hero and great character is that he's constantly beating combatants who are stronger than he is simply because he's a better fighter, and a better tactician.

Spider-Man himself said it in the issue.

i know, but what im saying to you is that no matter how hard a peak human hits it shouldnt, if we're talking realistically, hurt someone that can benchpress 20tonnes, but whatever it's just a comic. spider-man got in 1 scratch and was hit 3 times. it's fairly obvious who really won, but point taken nevertheless
 
BrianWilly said:
Can't believe I forgot about this.

Infinite Crisis Aftermath: The Spectre #3
It's over? Already:(?

That's pretty much the only thing I find objectionable about this; there was so many things to like, so many interesting ideas, so much characterization and build-up, and I guess compared to all that this issue can't help but to feel a bit anti-climatic. It felt like Cris caved in to the Spectre's "role" for him a bit too quickly, especially after all the objections he's had. And it felt like the Spectre allowed Cris to take the reigns too easily, especially after all this posturing he's done. I had to check the front cover to make sure I didn't accidentally miss an issue.

Then the big climax of Cris needing to choose the necessity of "judging" his son came, and, well...the guy didn't even put up a fight, just gave a very emo "I know" and went about his business. It was very emotional, and written very well, but it still felt too quick.

Still, would I recommend this series? Abso-f'in-lutely. It was an incredibly intelligent look into the identity of the Spectre and the character of this man. I didn't mind Hal Jordan as the Spectre -- it was ballsy at the least and fit in the context of all that mess he went through -- but I'm really looking forward to Crispus Allen's tenure.

(8 out of 10)

Holy **** I forgot to pick this up. :(
 
I finished WIZARD #179 (the "biggest issue ever", which is still not funny), and here're some highlights:

- My favorite quote of the issue is from Ed Doderer from QUICKHITS, of his criticism of WIZARD, especially their few-months-old policy of rating the TPB's that come out (of stories that are a few months old): "Don't tell us after the fact that the story stunk when YOU helped hype it!" Amen, brotha.

As for why WIZARD is "barely critical" about monthly issues anymore, the reason seems explainable. Their magazine was created as a means of delivering comic book news to their audiences, as well as price guides and so forth. The Internet has made them all but obsolete, despite the fact that WIZARD holds an effective monopoly on the "comic book market magazine" market. So, they need the comic companies, especially the Big Two, to without scoops, exclusives, and interviews that'd normally show up on the Internet in places like Newsrama, Comics Continuum, Toonzone, et al if WIZARD were allowed to die outright like the 8-Track, and allow those scoops to WIZARD so they're not always embarrassed by making a big stink publishing stories that are days-weeks old. I'm sure if WIZARD were more vocal about whatever Marvel or DC were doing, they'd get the boot of exclusives and then they'd be on the brink of being obsolete, sort of like TV GUIDE. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. WIZARD'd never admit that, claiming that "being negative hurts sales", but that's my theory.

- The first article in their NEWS section is talk about the new Thor ongoing, whose creative team is still a mystery. They pitch 10 creative teams they'd like on Thor, which, of course, range from "obvious fan picks" to "anyone with a name". Joe Q also explains that this year they "felt something passionate" about Thor, and that they want to "make him more mainstream while adhering to his mythology", which is a typical oxymoron statement that means nothing. "I want to move into the future while remaining true to the past" is pretty much the token statement of any new creative team on any new book in all of recorded history. The results of course vary. Joe Q cites THE ETERNALS as an example of what he means, but with all due respect, not everyone is Neil Gaiman.

- They confirm that Lobo will make his return in 52 tracking after Adam Strange, Starfire, and Animal-Man in space (since they have an intergalactic bounty on their heads), something I wondered about a few months ago. Considering we've had a break from Lobo for a few years, I don't mind a return so long as its good.

- WIZARD lists 5 failed "relaunches" from the 90's and early '00's as examples of lessons that Marvel and DC need to heed as they seemingly seek to relaunch damn near every title eventually. "Ironically", 4 out of these 5 failures are from Marvel. They are:

1). FORCEWORKS (1994-1996): Lesson? "Subtraction doesn't always add up, especially with odd numbers"

2). THE PUNISHER (1998), the original MK incarnation that reinvented him as an undead demon-slayer, which Ennis wrote out in a page. Lesson? "Sometimes a 180 turn takes you in the wrong direction."

3). FATE (1994-1996), the "reinvented" Fate from DC is their lone entry here. Lesson? "Making a concept darker will sometimes turn off the lights for good." Apparently DC learned that, by making Dr. Light a crazed rapist.

4). THUNDERBOLTS (2003), the final 5 issues of the first volume that basically made it into a ripoff of "FIGHT CLUB". Lesson? "You can't jam a round peg into a square hole (or something to that effect)." Marvel learned by "jamming" the New Warriors into the reality TV gimmick, an action that resulted in a crappy mini but made them perfect sacrificial lambs for CW.

5). SPIDER-MAN: CHAPTER ONE (1998-199), John Byrne's universally lambasted "reinvention" of Spider-Man's history. Lesson? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Marvel has failed to learn this, of course, by making Spider-Man's origins keyed into mystical totems, declaring that Gwen slept with Norman, and finally by doing everything possible to make Spider-Man a generic superhero, from armor to unmaskings to living in the Avengers/Stark Tower and being a flunkie for the government. Boring, boring, boring. I could pick out a dozen superheroes who basically do that.

- Alan Moore preaches his disgust for the "mainstream" comic companies in an interview where he attempts to peddle "pornography as art".

- DC attempts to get over criticisms of "the future in comics is fluid, so seeing alternate futures gets pointless" (such as from BrianWilly) by claiming that ONE of the alternate futures from JLA #0 "will actually happen in the near future". I didn't see what the big deal was about all of them. And Batman's death? Yeah, right. Next, Wolverine and Spider-Man will die too, and Marvel's new major franchise will be IMPOSSIBLE MAN.

- Probably my favorite article was one regarding secret identities in comics in the wake of CW #3. They note how while DC seems to be redefining the concept of masked heroes (with tect from Meltzer's IDENTITY CRISIS being shown as proof, where Green Arrow explains their importance to Flash), while Marvel seems to be stepping away from them. Joe Q and Bendis claim they're "very important", while citing stories of stripping them in DAREDEVIL and ASM. I see them as "very important" for inserting what I call "instant drama" into a title by removing it, sort of like a death. The only writer in the article who claims not to like it under most circumstances is Charlie Huston, writer of MOON KNIGHT and ULTIMATES 2 ANNUAL #2 (which takes place after ULTIMATES 2 but will ship sooner, because Hitch is a slow bastard). He feels it'll be hot for a few years for specific stories and then run its course. Sounds insightful to me, as hardly any major Marvel decision for a franchise lasts 2 years. Heck, everything Morrison did for his top selling NEW X-MEN was undone within a year, save for the Frost/Cyclops romance. Plus, DC'S THE FLASH is a clear example of a hero outing himself, it being a big honking deal, and then something cheesy done to "remask" him when the storyline ran its course, as it always does.

- an article that mentions how WAR JOURNAL writer Matt Fraction would have Punisher attack/kill numerous big name supervillians is about the stupidest piece of Punisher fanboyism I have ever read, even making PUNISHER KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE look like some sort of post-WATCHMEN genuis.

- WIZARD seems to consider the DEADPOOL/MORBUIS arcs of USM "the worst ever". I guess they fell asleep during CARNAGE and JUMP THE SHARK.
 
Dread said:
- Alan Moore preaches his disgust for the "mainstream" comic companies in an interview where he attempts to peddle "pornography as art".

- Probably my favorite article was one regarding secret identities in comics in the wake of CW #3. They note how while DC seems to be redefining the concept of masked heroes (with tect from Meltzer's IDENTITY CRISIS being shown as proof, where Green Arrow explains their importance to Flash), while Marvel seems to be stepping away from them. Joe Q and Bendis claim they're "very important", while citing stories of stripping them in DAREDEVIL and ASM. I see them as "very important" for inserting what I call "instant drama" into a title by removing it, sort of like a death. The only writer in the article who claims not to like it under most circumstances is Charlie Huston, writer of MOON KNIGHT and ULTIMATES 2 ANNUAL #2 (which takes place after ULTIMATES 2 but will ship sooner, because Hitch is a slow bastard). He feels it'll be hot for a few years for specific stories and then run its course. Sounds insightful to me, as hardly any major Marvel decision for a franchise lasts 2 years. Heck, everything Morrison did for his top selling NEW X-MEN was undone within a year, save for the Frost/Cyclops romance. Plus, DC'S THE FLASH is a clear example of a hero outing himself, it being a big honking deal, and then something cheesy done to "remask" him when the storyline ran its course, as it always does.


On #1: Alan Moore pisses me off, heres why. The man is a ****ing genius, really I love most of his work. But I cant stand when he starts talking that he hates comic book movies based on his work because simply said they dont get it right and ruin his characters. Really? Im sure all the writers of the characters in LXG if alive, would love what you do to them or the characters in Lost Girls. Also, Pornography is not art, sorry its not.

#2. Charlie Huston is the man, I really cant believe he said that. Im sure hes not the only writer to hate this, but hes the only one that has spoken out about it. Really, they need to listen to him more.
 
Daredevil #87

:eek::eek::eek:

no.words.can.say.how.awesome.this.arc.was.

1000.034/10

Black Panther #18

Ha! Dirk Anger wished them the best.

Captain America #20

Bru is Marvel's boy right now. He is killing. This book is no exception. And Epting's art is so awesome, I'd love to see him on more stuff.

52 WEEK #1-12

Decided to pick these up since I'm adding it to my list, and what can I say, I am glad I did. Nice stories so far. I'm with Booster Gold.:)

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #534

So its pretty clear Spidey is going to switch sides, the ending made it pretty clear. And so did the next issue's cover. I'm enjoying this arc so far, so points to JMS.

FRONTLINE #4

The poems at the end were kinda cool in the beginning, but I mean, like most of you have said, they could use the extra pages to show Colossus or something....:(

NEW AVENGERS #22

This issue owned. Art, story, Cage. This was my fav NA yet. Take no ^@!^ from anyone.:mad:

WOLVERINE #44

This issue was just meh ok, but the last two pages were f-ing awesome.

YOUNG AVENGERS/RUNAWAYS #1

This did not disappoint, the art was kinda different at first, but I totally got the characters, they felt right. And Molly owns. Great start.


My shop sold out of Batman, I'm getting it Wednesday though.
 
Darthphere said:
On #1: Alan Moore pisses me off, heres why. The man is a ****ing genius, really I love most of his work. But I cant stand when he starts talking that he hates comic book movies based on his work because simply said they dont get it right and ruin his characters. Really? Im sure all the writers of the characters in LXG if alive, would love what you do to them or the characters in Lost Girls. Also, Pornography is not art, sorry its not.

#2. Charlie Huston is the man, I really cant believe he said that. Im sure hes not the only writer to hate this, but hes the only one that has spoken out about it. Really, they need to listen to him more.
In Moore's defense, I think he dislikes the "mainstream comic companies" because he feels they stifle creativity. That's open for everyone's opinion. I agree that while the man's a genius, he's not right 100%. No one is. Except a diety. And even THEY make mistakes sometimes.

And since you like Huston, I'll type his exact words:

Charlie Huston said:
"I hate it. I think it's a bad call, both in terms of the character and the long term health of the title. I can't imagine this will be one of those 'it was all a dream' scenerios - I imagine that Marvel editorial and the writers handling Spidey have some specific and powerful storylines planned to spin off of this, and I expect there's going to be some great stuff they can do with the titles for a couple of years. But at some point, someone is going to start looking at ways to get him 'remasked'. If that can be pulled off in a manner that makes sense, I'd love to be around to see it."

Of course, while Joe Q seems to be incredibly insightful and all knowing of the "publicity decisions" of past EIC's, much like the "Spider-marriage" with MJ that he's ranted against, he's utterly incapable of seeing how he does the same thing, what with his pointless "wedding of the century" that has been retconned into being between Black Panther and Storm. Yes, a wedding so "natural" that it takes a mini series, endless retcons in an ongoing, AND a last minute CIVIL WAR tagline to get people to notice.
 
Dread said:
In Moore's defense, I think he dislikes the "mainstream comic companies" because he feels they stifle creativity. That's open for everyone's opinion. I agree that while the man's a genius, he's not right 100%. No one is. Except a diety. And even THEY make mistakes sometimes.

And since you like Huston, I'll type his exact words:



Of course, while Joe Q seems to be incredibly insightful and all knowing of the "publicity decisions" of past EIC's, much like the "Spider-marriage" with MJ that he's ranted against, he's utterly incapable of seeing how he does the same thing, what with his pointless "wedding of the century" that has been retconned into being between Black Panther and Storm. Yes, a wedding so "natural" that it takes a mini series, endless retcons in an ongoing, AND a last minute CIVIL WAR tagline to get people to notice.


Yeah, though in respect to other writers, Huston really has nothing to lose. And please dont get me started on the BP wedding.
 
Darthphere said:
Yeah, though in respect to other writers, Huston really has nothing to lose. And please dont get me started on the BP wedding.

Actually, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the BP wedding. I thought it was utter dreck, and even my girlfriend couldn't get through three pages before she set it down adn said it was unreadable.
I imagine what you have to say on it would be just as amusing, heh.
 
I never agreed with them getting married, but Hudlin stopped it from being a total wreck, the issue was readable IMO...

Plus Dirk wished them the best! The BEST!:mad:
 
Crosis said:
Actually, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the BP wedding. I thought it was utter dreck, and even my girlfriend couldn't get through three pages before she set it down adn said it was unreadable.
I imagine what you have to say on it would be just as amusing, heh.


The fact that its ham fisted, forced and really out of nowhere pisses me off. I know they had history, but that history wasnt enough to substantiate this whole love of their lives angle they played. Why else would a whole mini, retcons galore be necessary to justify this? Simply put, no such thing ever existed. This all reeks of an ultimate gimmick and was completely unnecessary.
 
PWN3R RANGER said:
I never agreed with them getting married, but Hudlin stopped it from being a total wreck, the issue was readable IMO...

Plus Dirk wished them the best! The BEST!:mad:

It was readable in that it had words. But that's all you could say about it.
His writing is just...bad. Bad, bad, bad. When my own girlfriend, who's dutifully read through every Civil War crossover so far, even those she dislikes (Such as Spider-Man), when even she can't force herself to slag on through Hudlin's garbage, you know you've got a real stinker on your hands.
 

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