Don't know if any of the above comments were directed at me, but I do want to make my point clear, because it seems its getting missed.
Exacty. People need to learn that when adapting comic, you have to take liberties with the matelrial. Just because it works in the comics doesn't mean it will work in a film.
Counterpoint, because it works in comics, doesn't mean it WOULDN'T work in film. You don't know until you try, and every one of Spideys one liners he's used in the films, no matter how sparingly they were, I enjoyed them.
And about Spider-Man talking to himself. This would just seem odd in a film. Why would we need to hear that while he's swinging. He know what's happening. In TAS it's a kids cartoon show so they have to be able to follow along and in the comics, it's a comic book, there gonna have to have exposition with the story.
I'm not saying he needs to outline every single move and scene, but it is a part of the character, and I think if done
correctly, it would work well, and could add a good bit to the character.
And I think Spider-Man is created for people of all ages. I think a Spidey film for adults is just silly. Raimi has struck a great balance of that
Agreed for the most part. SM2 was a great film, my issue with the kids stuff was SM1, with the Goblin being turned into a Power Ranger. Its hard for me to get past that. I know he needed to be more real world, but come on.
My real complaint with Rami is Spiderman constantly taking his mask off. No matter how you try to slice that, you can't defend how many times he has Spidey show up in public without his mask. (saving a train going through the middle of new york? What about that horrible scene that was cut from SM2 but in SM2.1 where he stops the robbers in the car, jumps in the car, then in front of traffic and pedestrians, pulls his mask off? WTC!!!??)
These complaints are MINOR and are only whiney fanboy wishes that don't serve purpose to the character in his film form.
I am open minded about these films, and I am not a fanboy, nor whiney. I don't collect comics and have a basement full of action figures. However, I do really enjoy the character of spiderman, and to a much larger extent, Batman. It comes from the point you made earlier, Spiderman is a character of all ages.
However, these are minor complaints when gagued against the character in the current film form, yes. These complaints are major when gauged against the comic book form of Spiderman. Its whichever once you choose, and again,
its only in my opinion, but your next quote allows me to bring my point home.
Who the hell cares about his quips when he's in the middle of a situation that's deadly.
From Wikipedia:
"A
very large part of his combat ability is improvisation and using his wits to out-think his opponents. One
constant is his habit of using jokes, puns and insults. This serves a dual purpose, in that
it not only causes his adversaries to become angry and distracted, it also helps Spider-Man deal with any fears or doubts that he might have during a battle."
Thats why I feel its important to have a fully fleshed out character of Spiderman talking during the films. It goes back to the same point Batman fans made about the Bruce Wayne that Tim Burton made. It was Bruce Wayne, yes, but only a part of him. There were aspects of his personality that exsisted in the comics that were ignored by Burton. Yet we still enjoyed it.
Thats the main point I'm trying to make. Rami has ignored much of Spidermans character, like when Spidey first started out, Peter's personality changed when he put on the mask. (not to mention, where was Gwen? Her death was just as much a shaping impact on Spiderman/Peter as Uncle Bens, arguably) Without it, he was a nerd, uncomfortable and not confident with himself. But once the mask came on, he was a completly different person. As I stated earlier, as he became more seasoned, this line began to fade, with Peter himself becoming more confident.
Anyways, the version of Spiderman I would like to see would be one who used the jokes and puns. Its part of what made me become a fan.
But, thats what makes this country great. Different strokes for different folks, agree and disagree. Hopefully, I was able to clarify my points respectfully to the valid points you guys made.
I feel strongly, wholeheartedly, that whatever mistakes/debated aspects there were in 3 would not have even taken place had the studio not been so uncertain about whether or not there was going to be a 4th.
Agreed 100%, as referenced in the conversation we had in the SM3 thread about trilogies.
There doesn't seem to be alot of open minded people with this stuff. I know SMH12 walks the same path as us though. So that makes three of us.
