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I'm a HUGE Spider-Man fan. Have been for 30 years. Not a fanboy, and can be totally honest. With the recent explosion of quality comics-to-live media such as Avengers, The Dark Knight, Walking Dead, etc, I thought I'd revisit the Spider-Man franchise and see how it stands compared to recent standards in Heroic Cinema... I watched all three films, back to back.
Back in the 60's, Marvel reinvented the Super Hero by making the alter ego just as interesting as the costume. Tony Stark was an alcoholic. Parker was an angst-ridden nerd, Hulk was a pacifist who turned into the ultimate weapon. All that is lost in the SM films. Peter is full of angst, but not in a way the audience cares. Raimi took the character away from "Great power comes great responsibility" and changed it to "With great power, I'll whine until I get the girl" The focus on Mary Jane warped the franchise, and made everything that happened seem small and insignificant. Always rescuing MJ from the villain made Spider-Man less a protector of the city and more of her personal bodyguard. MJ almost never was kidnapped in the comics, and yet the comics continue for over 40 years....
My Non-professional observations, in a free flow of thought....
Tobey sucked, Venom was the best handled of all the villains, SM2 was the closest to FEELING like a Spider-Man film should feel, but Doc Ock was brutally abused into a depressed "Arms controlled" wuss rather than a maniacal evil genius. The games and merchandise are a million times better than the films.
Best scene in Spider-Man 1 is the very end, leading to the "sticking to the flagpole" iconic shot. The rest of the movie was junk. Aunt May was an annoying Heffer, William Dafoe looked more like Goblin WITHOUT the mask on... and Kirsten Dunst is the UGLIEST thing in Hollywood. I'd rather kiss Steve Buscemi in the rain than Snaggletooth Dunst. Harry looked stoned.
Spider-Man 2 managed to make Dunst look even uglier, Doc Ock was even MORE watered down than Goblin, and the "losing my powers because I'm a doubter" is just stupid. I'd have much preferred they have his powers wane due to a cold (happens in the comics frequently) rather than doubt. James Franco shows he can act!
Spider-Man 3 was the best of times, and the worst of times. Maguire was the worst. Sandman character was the worst (misguided father? WTF!!! although looked spot-on). Dancing was the worst. Special effects were the best. Action scenes were the best. Venom and Eddie Brock were almost spot-on. Eddie was a whiny opportunist who blames others for his self-inflicted misfortunes, Venom was "born" in a church. Venom had a few one-liners, and Spidey couldn't beat him in a fair fight, requiring help and sonics to truly defeat him. James Franco stole the show.
and my final observation, certain actors were born for certain roles. Robert Downey Jr was Tony Stark to me back when he was the egotistical FBI agent in the HORRIBLE movie, "US Marshals" opposite Tommy Lee Jones. Patrick Stewart was Xavier the first time he stood on the bridge in Next Generation. Christopher Reeve embodied Superman... and JK Simmons was the 100% PERFECT as J. Jonah Jameson.
Anyway... that's my thoughts... Some may agree, many will disagree, but after being so pleasantly spoiled with the recent offerings from Marvel/Paramount and DC/Warner Bros, it was a interesting trip down nostalgia lane.
My Top 10 comics-to-films in my lifetime (Nov 1978 to June 2012)....
1) Captain America
2) Avengers
3) Dark Knight
4) Ironman
5) Superman
6) Batman Begins
7) X-Men
8) Spider-Man 2
9) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
10) Blade
Back in the 60's, Marvel reinvented the Super Hero by making the alter ego just as interesting as the costume. Tony Stark was an alcoholic. Parker was an angst-ridden nerd, Hulk was a pacifist who turned into the ultimate weapon. All that is lost in the SM films. Peter is full of angst, but not in a way the audience cares. Raimi took the character away from "Great power comes great responsibility" and changed it to "With great power, I'll whine until I get the girl" The focus on Mary Jane warped the franchise, and made everything that happened seem small and insignificant. Always rescuing MJ from the villain made Spider-Man less a protector of the city and more of her personal bodyguard. MJ almost never was kidnapped in the comics, and yet the comics continue for over 40 years....
My Non-professional observations, in a free flow of thought....
Tobey sucked, Venom was the best handled of all the villains, SM2 was the closest to FEELING like a Spider-Man film should feel, but Doc Ock was brutally abused into a depressed "Arms controlled" wuss rather than a maniacal evil genius. The games and merchandise are a million times better than the films.
Best scene in Spider-Man 1 is the very end, leading to the "sticking to the flagpole" iconic shot. The rest of the movie was junk. Aunt May was an annoying Heffer, William Dafoe looked more like Goblin WITHOUT the mask on... and Kirsten Dunst is the UGLIEST thing in Hollywood. I'd rather kiss Steve Buscemi in the rain than Snaggletooth Dunst. Harry looked stoned.
Spider-Man 2 managed to make Dunst look even uglier, Doc Ock was even MORE watered down than Goblin, and the "losing my powers because I'm a doubter" is just stupid. I'd have much preferred they have his powers wane due to a cold (happens in the comics frequently) rather than doubt. James Franco shows he can act!
Spider-Man 3 was the best of times, and the worst of times. Maguire was the worst. Sandman character was the worst (misguided father? WTF!!! although looked spot-on). Dancing was the worst. Special effects were the best. Action scenes were the best. Venom and Eddie Brock were almost spot-on. Eddie was a whiny opportunist who blames others for his self-inflicted misfortunes, Venom was "born" in a church. Venom had a few one-liners, and Spidey couldn't beat him in a fair fight, requiring help and sonics to truly defeat him. James Franco stole the show.
and my final observation, certain actors were born for certain roles. Robert Downey Jr was Tony Stark to me back when he was the egotistical FBI agent in the HORRIBLE movie, "US Marshals" opposite Tommy Lee Jones. Patrick Stewart was Xavier the first time he stood on the bridge in Next Generation. Christopher Reeve embodied Superman... and JK Simmons was the 100% PERFECT as J. Jonah Jameson.
Anyway... that's my thoughts... Some may agree, many will disagree, but after being so pleasantly spoiled with the recent offerings from Marvel/Paramount and DC/Warner Bros, it was a interesting trip down nostalgia lane.
My Top 10 comics-to-films in my lifetime (Nov 1978 to June 2012)....
1) Captain America
2) Avengers
3) Dark Knight
4) Ironman
5) Superman
6) Batman Begins
7) X-Men
8) Spider-Man 2
9) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
10) Blade
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