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For some reason I confused him with Jack Angel. Adler voiced Triggerhappy.
Yeah and Sunstreaker was seen with Kup earlier in the film. Hound could've been in another part of the ship, or something. He was seen when Optimus was leaving it, however, the movie was riddled with those types of things.
A woman gets high unknowingly whilst visiting a college..this is somehow tasteless but tony stark glorifying alcohol isn't. Tony stark banging chicks left and right and overall objectifying women but a robot humping a girls leg is crossing the line?
Where in the "proof" you provided does it state that bay wasn't going to audition these actors? The article simply states that there was a fan outcry for an actor, nothing more nothing less. Just seems like you are using evidence to draw the conclusions you want.
I'm not comparing ball humor to ball humor, I'm simply saying both had awkward humor and silly moments. As for why Bay's films can have Frat Boys, sexuality and drugs and the cartoon doesn't, that's just the nature of things. I never had a problem with Bumblebee 'peeing' on that guy. Bumblebee is a more lighthearted characters, and quite frankly, sector 7 deserved to be pee-d on *shrugs*, but no one can make you find something funny.according to martin this did not happened...i'm sure the cartoon had awkward humor, and sillyness...i'm just saying the humor and tone of the cartoon was alot diff then the movie and shouldnt be compared.
I know they mentioned it, I remember the piece. The irony of you mentioning it though is that, at the time, it highlighted how little people knew of Transformers. As I say, I seem to remember Quickswitch is the toy used in that piece that the comedians play with. Quickswitch is a fairly unpopular character (in fact he never really was a character), and a somewhat awkward toy. I'm not sure what kind of planning goes into those segments, but a simple google search would've given them enough information on Transformers to not use Quickswitch(and I seem to remember they had trouble transforming him - he did have six modes though)!?! They might as well have used Bristleback, Cindersaur or Airwave.you are entitle to your opinion on the niche thing, and TF was mentio...i seen it..and recall it being mention....i dont know what esle to tell you about it.
Transformers also hadn't been producing much in the way of comics until the new movies. I remember when I completed my Transformer comic collection, sometime back around '98 or so. I never had to add to it until Bay began producing the new films.
The comics are nowhere near as big as the cartoons are.
As I stated before, Tonys issues with women and alcohol are part of the characters history and the source martial.
i dont like bays versions of the film, plan n simple there are other films he has done and i have had no problems with them.look at my view of this film how you want...at the end of the day you have your thoughts and i have mine..
Not at alll..i never go by what a critic says to judge or go watch a film, i'm plainly pointing out to you *insert number* of people may it be cirtics, fanboys, casual fans..didnt like the film for whatever their reasons were, alot of us share some of the views..if you want to look at it as a "witch hunt" against michael bay..go right ahead.
Originally posted by Marvin...Transformers has tasteless humor but the Hangover is the comedy hit of the year. There is no right or wrong way to do humor. Just people that get bent out of shape when their franchise isn't taken seriously.
look at it however you want, i like to think there is such a way to do comedy and when you do you get G, PG, NC-17, R ratings..the last time i check "the hangover" is rated R, TF is PG-13 with all ages going to see it. I wouldnt take my 6 year old nephew to see hangover..but i would take him to see transformers..again look at the film and it's humor how you want.
so because it grossed alot of money, there's no room to have an issue with the film????
originally posted by Marvin... I never said it didn't have the representation of the male anatomy, but you seem to not understand the difference between representing something and showing it. The day they show balls in a transformers movie is the day I jump on the hate wagon myself.
yup your view on things is far more advance then mine (sarcasm) look at it how you will at this point.
originally posted by Marvin... You know the 90's batman movies had nipples in them...god forbid.
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No, they never have been.The comics are nowhere near as big as the cartoons are.
Validation by source material wouldn't(doesn't) render the content non offensive if it was.
Theoretically if someone made a remake of the this film http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Serbian_Film for American audiences and kept all the "source material"
It would still be as "offensive" as the original.
What your getting at is how willing as "Fans" you would be to forgive something that is validated by source and that's fine.
However, it doesn't take source material to understand/justify that an adult like Tony Stark drinks and then goes on to act a fool after the fact, it's not offensive to any average audience member that isn't going into the film looking to pick it apart. By that same logic a grown woman accidently consuming intoxicating brownies and acting a fool shouldn't be either..yet "it is"
This isn't me advocating more of this kind of humor in the new TF film, but rather me highlighting the obvious double standard I've seen in the reception of the previous one.
I wasnt offended by it in the TF films at all, I just feel that it was out of place.
but it's really just this root issue of not liking the film that snow balls into what I consider broad stroke hyperbolic statements that make the film appear to be more than it is.
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I just want to establish that they are nothing more than feelings and shouldn't be proclaimed as statements. .
Not at all, I'm just showing you how little numbers should mean in a discussion such as this. Something to keep in mind next time one memtions how many people felt such and such a way..
Not to sound crass, but of course he's going to pay the fans lip-service, they've only been buying toys of "him" for twenty some odd years now. I'd be pretty grateful too, considering, without Prime, he'd have been far less successful. As Marvin, Hotwire and I have all said, these articles hardly prove Bay was opposed to using the original voice actors, or that he was "forced" to give them an audition, or that 'the fanbase' was the reason he got cast (because that same fanbase was clearly unable to get Welker recast as Megatron). Don Murphy, the producer, was lobbying for Cullen as far back as 2004 when they were going through script drafts and no director was attached. Bay admittedly wasn't a Transformers fan, and considering his age I doubt he knew Cullen from my left foot when he signed on. Even in their first meeting Bay didn't know Cullen was just a voice actor.The article he posted may not have gone into detail, but Cullen him self has said several times it was the fanbase that got him the audition.I remember a very tearful thank you he made to the fanbase at a TF convention.
Not to sound crass, but of course he's going to pay the fans lip-service, they've only been buying toys of "him" for twenty some odd years now. I'd be pretty grateful too, considering, without Prime, he'd have been far less successful. As Marvin, Hotwire and I have all said, these articles hardly prove Bay was opposed to using the original voice actors, or that he was "forced" to give them an audition, or that 'the fanbase' was the reason he got cast (because that same fanbase was clearly unable to get Welker recast as Megatron). Don Murphy, the producer, was lobbying for Cullen as far back as 2004 when they were going through script drafts and no director was attached. Bay admittedly wasn't a Transformers fan, and considering his age I doubt he knew Cullen from my left foot when he signed on. Even in their first meeting Bay didn't know Cullen was just a voice actor.
I've seen no article that states anything remotely close to this, other than the latter part of what you just said. The only reason this is even brought up is because of unsubstantiated rumors that Bay and Speilberg were going to get George Clooney or Tom Hanks to play Prime. Actually, as far as I know, the only one who ever read for Prime was Cullen. All the quotes are simply this person or that person thanking the "fans" (that vague, undefined concept). As I said Don Murphy wanted to bring him back in 2004, so it's doubtful internet message boards or some fan movement really scored him an audition.Bay himself said a few times it was the fans that convinced him to give Cullen a shot. He also gave Welker a shot but didn't feel his voiced matched what Megatron should sound like on the big screen.