The crossovers in comics are constant.
It's happening a lot more recently, true, but traditionally not so much.
At some point, we'll probably see more "minor crossovers" on film so to speak. But right now, the whole thing is still very new.
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The crossovers in comics are constant.
So this isn't Phase 2 now? All the references to the Avengers were not there?
And not sure what you mean by that last sentence. I did enjoy the movie for what it is, but part of what it is is a contradiction. That is the problem with the shared universe and making such a big deal out of it.
It's happening a lot more recently, true, but traditionally not so much.
At some point, we'll probably see more "minor crossovers" on film so to speak. But right now, the whole thing is still very new.
So your saying that Fantastic Four never read a paper from the Daily Bugle?
That Tony never calls Pym or Reed for help?
Crossovers are constant in the comics, its just its common term and topic that MCU made more infamous, because we see it in film.
All the ideas you would be trying to deconstruct are lost because of Killian. He is very typical.
You're right. I didn't word it correctly. But they could've gotten away with the alien rings if they wanted to. Or they could've introduced magic and mysticism, and later on linked it to Dr Strange since they do plan on making a film for him down the line.
Then ignore the shared universe aspect. The thing is every film in Marvel's catalog is viewable as a stand alone entity.
You couldn't be more wrong. There are still plot tropes that the movie puts a spin on. The story itself twisted around and played with people's expectations of the movie. People were expecting The Mandarin to be this huge threatening terrorist and (ignoring the source material for a second) the fact that he was this drugged up actor was pretty hilarious.
Not to mention that Tony's whole arc completely played jump rope with some of the usual superhero conventions. What other hero movie spent practically the whole movie without being in the suit for more than 30 seconds?
Not sure what you mean here. Tony was in the armor for much longer then 30 seconds. Not too mention all the times he controlled the suit remote control style.You couldn't be more wrong. There are still plot tropes that the movie puts a spin on. The story itself twisted around and played with people's expectations of the movie. People were expecting The Mandarin to be this huge threatening terrorist and (ignoring the source material for a second) the fact that he was this drugged up actor was pretty hilarious.
Not to mention that Tony's whole arc completely played jump rope with some of the usual superhero conventions. What other hero movie spent practically the whole movie without being in the suit for more than 30 seconds?
Its interesting you bring this up. Looking back, the lack of a Daily Bugle is almost a substantial loss in the Iron Man series. They are always watching CNN, NBC, FOX... But we never see any news from the major Marvel NY publisher.
Never realized how sad that was until now.
So ignore what the keep bringing up. You shouldn't have to ignore anything. That is the point. Once you have to start manipulating this stuff, the battle is already lost.
And no, every film is not a stand alone entity. You lose a lot of IM3 without having seen IM, IM2 or the Avengers. The film relies heavy on past knowledge of the characters and their relationships. Just look at Tony's anxiety problem or his relationships with Pepper and Rhodey.
You couldn't be more wrong. There are still plot tropes that the movie puts a spin on. The story itself twisted around and played with people's expectations of the movie. People were expecting The Mandarin to be this huge threatening terrorist and (ignoring the source material for a second) the fact that he was this drugged up actor was pretty hilarious.
Not to mention that Tony's whole arc completely played jump rope with some of the usual superhero conventions. What other hero movie spent practically the whole movie without being in the suit for more than 30 seconds?
The film doesn't rely upon it, it simply uses it as a starting point, honestly you could take away the Avengers element and simply have it be about the struggles of being a superhero and the film still works. It's not that hard to figure out, in fact you haven't lost anything in that regards. Honestly, the amount of 'past knowledge' required to watch any of the films is minimal at best, it might add something to the story, but the story isn't reliant on past events to get its point across.
Completely disagree. Most, if not all of Tony's anxiety comes from having to face the fact that he is just the guy in the ''tin can''. Tony realized he wasn't enough. That he is pretty low on the food chain. He is no Norse God or Hulk. He was confronted with the fact that there are other life forms in the universe, willing to come to Earth and wage war. Those that could kick his butt rather easily.
Him out of the suit works, at least to me, because there is a point to it. It's showing that, indeed, Stark in his own right is the hero Cap challenged him to be in Avengers. Beyond just making the "sacrifice play" Stark showed in IM3 that, take the suit off, he's still a hero and not just a "billionaire, playboy, philanthropist." Now that's good storytelling to me.
The whole ruse with The Mandarin didn't come across as deep as some of you are trying to make it. It didn't feel like some intelligent deconstruction of comic book villains and/or terrorists. It felt like something they thought would be amusing, no more or less. It wasn't at all necessary to the story other than to be a bizarre plot twist.
The film doesn't rely upon it, it simply uses it as a starting point, honestly you could take away the Avengers element and simply have it be about the struggles of being a superhero and the film still works. It's not that hard to figure out, in fact you haven't lost anything in that regards. Honestly, the amount of 'past knowledge' required to watch any of the films is minimal at best, it might add something to the story, but the story isn't reliant on past events to get its point across.
Do we need to have seen John Rambo in action in First Blood to understand he went through a traumatic experience in Vietnam?
given that it made 1.5 billion dollars it's safe to say almost the entire Iron Man target demographic is familiar with the material covered in the Avengers.
That is why they have the Colonel, the flashbacks and all the exposition scenes that show you John's frame of mind. Most of the focus of those scenes in IM3 were on Killian. More importantly in IM3 there are direct references to those other films, using them as a sort of shorthand.
So your saying that Fantastic Four never read a paper from the Daily Bugle?
Everyone that has a problem with the Mandarin turning out to be a contrived shallow caricature in order to serve an agenda, obviously hasn't put too much thought into how a character created during the cold war with the name "the Mandarin" came about in the first place.
But the concept is exactly the same! I'm saying the underlying concept in IM3 is not about The Avengers, it's about someone experiencing a great trauma, which is easy to pick up and why it works as a stand alone movie. Do you see where I'm getting at?
That statement applies to every $#% last minority character created in the 60's and 70's including the Black Panther. He and the Wakandans were basically stereotypical caricatures of tribal Africans. That doesnt' mean you complete rape the movie translation of the character.
God even the Falcon was an exPimp turn superhero.