Superman: The Movie Superman the Movie = STILL the greatest superhero movie

[Kato]

Superman: The Movie is too dated to be the greatest of them all.

 

[Kato]

How are they better?

In every possible way you can imagine.

 

[The Batman]

James Cameron said Gravity is the greatest space movie ever, (essentially the Godfather of space movies), ahead of 2001, ahead of Aliens, ahead of Star Wars etc. Do you agree with him or is he hypocritical?

Depends...was he crying about not putting movies on a pedestal beforehand?

 

[The Batman]

And I don't see how "this is dated so it cant be the greatest" is a valid argument.

Mainly, because its not a valid argument.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I don't think any other DC movie has such a romantic love for a title character than this one; even with Nolan making Batman a symbol of hope and a martyr with a statue. This movie has the "just go for it" attitude about Superman and treats the character with respect with out watering down the more fantastic elements.

 

[Jordacar]

I love that the film takes Supes entirely at face value. We wouldn't see that degree of irony-free superhero storytelling until Captain America: TFA.

 

[Kato]

And I don't see how "this is dated so it cant be the greatest" is a valid argument.

Mainly, because its not a valid argument.

Of course it is. What i saw in MOS is exactly what i imagined when i was kid and played Superman. Fast, explosive, visually outstanding. The 1978 flick has none of that. It feels dated. It´s like i´m watching someone playing Superman, instead of watching Superman himself. MOS is far from a perfect movie, but at least i can look at it and pretend Superman actually exists. Superman: The Movie to me feels more like a failed attempt to replicate what Superman would be able to do if he existed.

It´s obviously a great movie for it´s time, within it´s genre. But things have evolved a lot since then and right now we´ve seen movies doing a better job in bringing super heroes to life.

 

[The Batman]

Of course it is. What i saw in MOS is exactly what i imagined when i was kid and played Superman. Fast, explosive, visually outstanding. The 1978 flick has none of that. It feels dated. It´s like i´m watching someone playing Superman, instead of watching Superman himself. MOS is far from a perfect movie, but at least i can look at it and pretend Superman actually exists. Superman: The Movie to me feels more like a failed attempt to replicate what Superman would be able to do if he existed.

It´s obviously a great movie for it´s time, within it´s genre. But things have evolved a lot since then and right now we´ve seen movies doing a better job in bringing super heroes to life.

Thank you for proving my point. Your argument is basically "STM doesn't have a ton of CGI or teh badass action scenes, therefore it can't be great."

 

[Kato]

Thank you for proving my point. Your argument is basically "STM doesn't have a ton of CGI or teh badass action scenes, therefore it can't be great."

A good display of Superman´s powers is a very important thing in a Superman movie, since that´s what really defines him: The fact that he can do things that normal people can´t.

And you´re basically putting words in my mouth. I never said it couldn´t be great. I actually said it is great. Just not THE GREATEST.

Man of Steel does a good job at showing who Superman is and what he can do. You get a pretty good representation of both by watching the movie.

Superman is a cool movie for it´s time but fails to be as complete as MOS.

Plus, let´s not forget about Batman, Batman Begins, TDK, TDKR, Spider-Man 2, The Avengers, etc. Saying Superman is the greatest is a pretty bold statement.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

A good display of Superman´s powers is a very important thing in a Superman movie, since that´s what really defines him: The fact that he can do things that normal people can´t.

That's the definition of like every superhero.

Superman also has his values. Like saving people in danger. Like what he did NOT do when Pa Kent killed himself.

 

[Kato]

That's the definition of like every superhero.

Superman also has his values. Like saving people in danger. Like what he did NOT do when Pa Kent killed himself.

That was my favourite part. You have super powers and let your father die. Brutal. LOOOL. Loved it. That´s a movie with balls. I like movies with balls.

 

[The Batman]

A good display of Superman´s powers is a very important thing in a Superman movie, since that´s what really defines him: The fact that he can do things that normal people can´t.

And STM does this very well, even with 1970's SFX. Sorry he's not an ADD fantasy of CGI, explosions, and repeatedly punching people through buildings.

And you´re basically putting words in my mouth. I never said it couldn´t be great. I actually said it is great. Just not THE GREATEST.

Ok, let me amend my assessment of you, frankly shallow arguments: "STM
doesn't have a ton of CGI or teh badass action scenes, therefore it can't be greatest."

Man of Steel does a good job at showing who Superman is and what he can do. You get a pretty good representation of both by watching the movie.

STM does this too, in fact, it most respects it does a better job. The only thing MOS has over STM is modern effects and action, and even the action scenes left you numb after a while.

Superman is a cool movie for it´s time but fails to be as complete as MOS.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

STM did a much bettter job at covering the mythology of Superman. Its so complete, I can watch STM and not even need to watch the sequels, even with the sequel bait with Zod at the beginning. MOS will need at least two movies to cover its own themes and mythology. Again, the only thing MOS has over STM is CGI and fight scenes that become empty.

Plus, let´s not forget about Batman, Batman Begins, TDK, TDKR, Spider-Man 2, The Avengers, etc. Saying Superman is the greatest is a pretty bold statement.

Superman is better than most of those movies. The only movies on that list that can compete are TDK and possibly Spider Man 2.

 

[Kato]

Every action scene in Superman looks pretty outdated and unconvincing. That´s not how imagine Superman. MOS makes it look like he actually exists. Superman makes it look like a man is behing held by wires. That´s not impressive to me. I live in 2014, not in 1978.

It´s ok for you to prefer Superman to the movies i referred. You have your own tastes. I have mine. But it´s not like the movie is consensually considered the greatest thing ever. It´s pretty acceptable to point out other movies as being superior, since that´s actually how they´re perceived by most people. And since someone made a thread just to point out that they think Superman is the greatest of them all, i think it´s pretty fair to expect some disagreement.

Me and most people don´t consider this to be the greatest super hero movie of all times. Deal with it.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

That was my favourite part. You have super powers and let your father die. Brutal. LOOOL. Loved it. That´s a movie with balls. I like movies with balls.

I prefer my superheroes to have the balls. This part of the movie was not the case.

Every action scene in Superman looks pretty outdated and unconvincing. That´s not how imagine Superman. MOS makes it look like he actually exists. Superman makes it look like a man is behing held by wires. That´s not impressive to me. I live in 2014, not in 1978.

I suspected it was a case of "the new action movies look cooler therefore the movie is better."

So, under your own logic, MOS will stop being a classic in some years, when new technology comes around.

It´s ok for you to prefer Superman to the movies i referred. You have your own tastes. I have mine. But it´s not like the movie is consensually considered the greatest thing ever. It´s pretty acceptable to point out other movies as being superior, since that´s actually how they´re perceived by most people. And since someone made a thread just to point out that they think Superman is the greatest of them all, i think it´s pretty fair to expect some disagreement.

Me and most people don´t consider this to be the greatest super hero movie of all times. Deal with it.

Movies like The Dark Knight could have a chance (I don't know about "you and most people" though). But not MOS.

 

[The Batman]

Every action scene in Superman looks pretty outdated and unconvincing. That´s not how imagine Superman. MOS makes it look like he actually exists. Superman makes it look like a man is behing held by wires. That´s not impressive to me. I live in 2014, not in 1978.

CGI makes people look like they actually exist? LOL.

Yes, we know what year you live in. Please tell us more obvious things.

It´s ok for you to prefer Superman to the movies i referred. You have your own tastes. I have mine. But it´s not like the movie is consensually considered the greatest thing ever. It´s pretty acceptable to point out other movies as being superior, since that´s actually how they´re perceived by most people. And since someone made a thread just to point out that they think Superman is the greatest of them all, i think it´s pretty fair to expect some disagreement.

Its no so much you disagreeing, its a matter of me personally thinking that your reasoning is weak.

Me and most people don´t consider this to be the greatest super hero movie of all times. Deal with it.

Have you actually polled most people, Batista?

 

[The Batman]

Surprisingly, Kato does bring up a good point: the title of this thread. I would actually like to have discussion on STM, but the title just leads to "its not the greatest" type posts.

 

[Kato]

CGI makes people look like they actually exist? LOL.

Yes, we know what year you live in. Please tell us more obvious things.



Its no so much you disagreeing, its a matter of me personally thinking that your reasoning is weak.




Have you actually polled most people, Batista?

It doesn´t matter if you think my reasoning is weak. I think the same of yours.

CGI doesn´t make people look real. It makes the unreal look real.

I don´t need to poll most people. I just need to pay attention to their opinions. And if you go to any big movie site, you will see that most people don´t think this is the greatest thing ever. That´s why it as a 7.4 on IMDB and a 3.5 on RT, instead of a 9 and a 4.5.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Rottentomatoes:

STM: 93% reviewers / 86% audience

MOS: 56% reviewers / 76% audience

 

[Kato]

Rottentomatoes:

STM: 93% reviewers / 86% audience

MOS: 56% reviewers / 76% audience

So? Does STM have the best ratings of all Super hero movies? I think this thread is about that. The title says it is the greatest superhero movie.

Superman is a character that has been portrayed on screen (tv and cinema) pretty much the same way since 1978. MOS goes in a completely different direction, so it´s pretty easy for people who grew up loving the Donner Universe to dislike something that seems so different from the original movie. That´s the reason why it is so difficult to make a Superman movie work without basing it on the Donner universe.

Oh, and btw, what does 86% means? It means 86% of the people liked the movie? Ok, but we don´t know if those 86% found it great or simply decente, do we? For that we would have to look at the ratings. That´s why percentages mean nothing to me.


Btw, Superman´s rating on most sites are made of a very small amount of people. We all know that, most of the times, the bigger the number of votes, the lower the rating, so i don´t think your comparison is that relevant.

 

[The Batman]

Percentages mean nothing, yet he uses imdb and RT audience ratings, where anyone can and will rate a movie "1" just for *****s and giggles.

 

[Kato]

Percentages mean nothing, yet he uses imdb and RT audience ratings, where anyone can and will rate a movie "1" just for *****s and giggles.

RT´s percentages mean nothing to me. I pay more attention to the ratings.

 

[The Batman]

Yes, we already know you pay attention to the just as unreliable ratings.

But its nice to know that your definition of "most people" is actually "most people who happen to surf the internet, and hang out on RT and IMDB"

 

[Kato]

Yes, we already know you pay attention to the just as unreliable ratings.

Should i pay attention to what? To your opinion? Do you want me to make my mind regarding what´s the best movie based on your opinions? I´m more interest in what i think and in what the audiences in general think. You´re just one guy. Your opinion doesn´t change the way the movie is perceived, with all due respect.

 

[The Batman]

Luckily, my opinion nearly lines up with this movie's general perception: That its one of, if not the best comic book movie of all time.

BTW, the whole "People dislike MOS because its not Donner" statement will never stop being a bad, cliche argument.

 

[Kato]

Luckily, my opinion nearly lines up with this movie's general perception: That its one of, if not the best comic book movie of all time.

"One of" is very vague. One of the 10 best? Yeah, i agree. But it´s definitely not "the best" according to the general perception. At least not in this world. Maybe you´re talking about an alternative reality or something.