Pirates of the Caribbean 5

[Drizzle]

it's weird that there never a toyline. Not for collectors but strictly for kids.

There WAS a toyline early on. Tho I don't recall who was making what

There was a toy line for kids and collectors released around the time Dead Man's Chest and At World's End came out. There was a lot of variety in regards to characters released. I remember they even came out with a huge Black Pearl playset.


http://www.cooltoyreview.com/Zizzle.asp

 

[Lord]

Did they sell well? I think i remember the toyline being in full swing in 2006 witht he release of the 2nd film

 

[Erzengel]

I couldn't find any stats.

 

[Lord]

Neither could i, my guess from what i can remember is that they probably sold well, expecially in 2006, but not nearly well enough for Disney to repeat it for On Stranger Tides, which i think had a much smaller marketing campaign.

^I hope the movie goes ahead, I really dont want the poor 4th movie to be the last in the franchise. I cant them getting back to the level of the 1st movie, but at the same level of movies 2 and 3 I would be happy as I did like them.

I have to agree, ending with the 4th one feels like a bit sad for the franchise, expecially when it made enough money for another better conclusion to be made. I would prefer if they stayed away from the messy script of the 3rd film, or the weird conveniences and relative lack of originality the 4th film had when compared to the previous ones.

I honestly think that the way Dead Man's Chest went, except for the cliffhanger and incomplete story, is what they should aim for, as it gives an impressive amount of creativity and vastly expands the mythology, gives Jack Sparrow a lot of screen time, while still not making him the main event, and we get a memorable villain in Davy Jones, with the Kraken alone being worth the ticket of entrance. The first film is a classic, but when they tried to mimick its simplicity in the 4th film it just ended up feeling boring.

I do think it's a shame each PotC since the 3rd has been facing problems during Development that lead into it taking such a long time, as well as Johny Depp seemingly losing interest. Because with every new instalment, they open as many new possiblities as they close the main plot, the 4th film basically ended with Jack Sparrow getting an Armada of ships, while Barbossa got Blackbeard's ship and sword. Along with past plots and other nautical tales, there are infinite possibilities, the last film almost felt like another episode of an ongoing story.

Some of the ideas i like the most are

Jolly Roger:

Adamastor, a large humanoid being that used to sink ships in the Cape of Good Hope:

Trident of Poseidon:

Another real life pirate like Captain Kidd being adapted, and turning the conclave on its head, as he leads into some kind of Pirate civil war. Could be interesting to see more united crews and a real battle between armadas.

Conquistadores as the next big group, the last film gave the spanish a role, now it wouldn't be a bad idea to go all out and have the Portugues and Spanish Empires play the roles the East India Trading Company had during the first Trilogy.

Another idea could be an adventure to find the treasure of Jewels tat controls the winds Angelica mentioned in the end of OST, but it was most likelly a lie. Another idea i like but wouldn't be my first choice is to take from Lovecraftian mythos.

Honestly, if this doesn't happen I don't mind. I liked the fourth film and despite its flaws got back to some of the basics as the first and was one of the more enjoyable films of 2011 for me.

But if it does, it better go out strong. Really give it a sense of finality. Make it truly about the last days of Jack Sparrow as a pirate. Make it actually mean something for the character and remind us why we loved him in the first place.

I was originally hoping On Stranger Tides would be like that, finaling resolving Jack's arc to finding imortality, as a kind of epiloque to the original trilogy, i think it's a shame that they didn't go that way.

 

[Victarion]

I wouldn't mind something about the pirates freeing themselves from dependence on the heathen gods. Maybe the villain could be the heathen gods' champion or something. I really liked the sword and sorcery elements that came into the forefront in films 2 and 3.

 

[Lord]

Agreed, i don't think the problem with those films were the ideas, i think it was the execution. About heathen gods, i believe they did so when they released Calypso in Pirates 3.

Seems like they will start filming in 14th December

http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/mew/film_production_newlisting.html

 

[Doc Ock]

I think part of the reasons I love this franchise so much because of the fantasy, I remember reluctantly going to the theater to see the first one and coming out very surprised.

 

[CB Fan]

Recently rewatched the first three films and they hold up really well! I originally didn't like 2&3 but I enjoyed them so much this time that i had to immediately watch them again. Johnny gets a lot of praise but I think Rush, Harris, and Nighy deserve mad props as well cause they're all so fun to watch. It would be cool if they were able to get Saldana back for a sequel.

 

[Lord]

It's crazy to think that when the next film comes out, At World's End will already be around 10 years old, and it's still the most expensive film ever made. Rush was one of the few things i really liked in Stranger Tides, Nighty is an extremelly underrated actor, it's a shame he's mostly asked to make things like Underworld.

I don't understand why they didn't have Saldana return after the first film, her character was a lot of fun, would prefer her than Penelope Cruz to be honest, but at this point i don't expect her to be brought back.

Remembering the first film, i think they need a better motivation for Jack, the bullet to Barbossa felt personal, even though i liked their twist on Davy Jones's fate, there hasn't been a scene like that again.

 

[Doc Ock]

Saldana said she didn't enjoy the experience of filming Pirates, something about it being too massive or something. Doesn't make alot of sense considering the later films she was in but whatever.

 

[Lord]

That's indeed kinda weird, maybe she prefers working on the green screen, instead of having to go through all those ships and sets.

 

[Hyde]

Zoe Saldana was in POTC?

 

[Teelie]

Yeah at the start of her career. Maybe since then she's gotten used to working on larger sets.

 

[Lord]

The interview where she stated there was from 2011, she even said that the experience almost made her quit acting. With how bad it was for her, i doubt she would repeat the experience, also, performing in green screen is more contained than in large sets and ships.

 

[Hyde]

Was she in the first movie? I literally had no idea she appeared in this franchise

 

[Lord]

She was the badass pirate woman that had an history with Sparrow, she was mostly there for comic relief, but she was pretty good for what it was, still remember her character.

 

[Hyde]

Do you mean Angelica from On Stranger Tides? That was Penelope Cruz man

edit: just looked on her Wikipedia and yeah she was in the first movie as someone called Anamaria.

 

[Lord]

No, i was really talking about Anamaria, when On Stranger Tides came out i do remember many talking about how her role could have been given to Anamaria from the first film. It's not my fault they were so similar in their roles, but Angelica was more of a romantic interest, while Anamaria was mostly comic relief, i was even wondering in Dead Man's Chest why she wasn't there.

Doesn't seem like Penelope Cruz is coming back, so i have to wonder what was the point of the post-credits scene, this is why i hate post credit scenes hyping the next film outside of the Marvel movie, many of the times they're not even sure they'll make another.

 

[Octoberist]

I think part 5 will be made, but it's currently in limbo. We haven't too much about it. I mean, sure it's 2016 releases but the momentum is at a standstill.

BTW, I loved Zoe's Anamaria from the first film and it's a shame that she never returned for the sequels.

 

[Broseph44]

No, i was really talking about Anamaria, when On Stranger Tides came out i do remember many talking about how her role could have been given to Anamaria from the first film. It's not my fault they were so similar in their roles, but Angelica was more of a romantic interest, while Anamaria was mostly comic relief, i was even wondering in Dead Man's Chest why she wasn't there.

Doesn't seem like Penelope Cruz is coming back, so i have to wonder what was the point of the post-credits scene, this is why i hate post credit scenes hyping the next film outside of the Marvel movie, many of the times they're not even sure they'll make another.

I forget what was the post credits scene for Tides?

 

[Octoberist]

I think most people forgot that the movie exists.

 

[Lord]

Not sure 2016 is trully set, unless they indeed start filming this year. With all the time they had for the script it's going to be really dumb if the film once again has an incomplete one.

I forget what was the post credits scene for Tides?

Angelica find the Jack Sparrow voodu doll in the water and smiles at the camera.

 

[flickchick85]

That's indeed kinda weird, maybe she prefers working on the green screen, instead of having to go through all those ships and sets.

I think it has more to do with being a small player in a giant production versus being a key player in a giant production. She had like 5 lines in PotC, basically just another cog in the machine, so I doubt she was given the VIP treatment she gets when she's a lead in Star Trek and Avatar. It could be that the PotC set wasn't a great working environment for below-the-line cast and crew.

 

[Broseph44]

Not sure 2016 is trully set, unless they indeed start filming this year. With all the time they had for the script it's going to be really dumb if the film once again has an incomplete one.



Angelica find the Jack Sparrow voodu doll in the water and smiles at the camera.

Ahhhh right.

 

[Lord]

Either way i don't see her returning, which is a shame, i think she fitted the films well. Angelica won't return either, which makes her post-credits scene really pointless.

All news of the movies point to the script not being completed and them having problems with it, but they've apparently set the shooting date already, as much potencial as the franchise has, i don't see the next film's situation being different from the last 2, which is a little depressing when you consider that they've had 3 years to write it.