The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Should Sony move forward with Sinister 6 and Venom?

[DigificWriter]

^ How would a movie that tells the story of the Six and their battle with Spidey be a '2-hour prologue'?

 

[Dr. Thanos]

I don't know how you don't market him as the star if he's in it, otherwise what's the selling point? This comes back to the entire idea being a misguided attempt on the studio to force an expanded universe for a series that doesn't need it. Do we want Spider-Man taking on the Sinister 6? Absolutely! Make that movie. But who's really going to give a rats arse about a film that really can't be anything more than a 2 hour prologue?

Exactly. If the Sinister Six movie is only a lead up to ASM3, then the movie ends before the villains get their comeuppance. What's the point in that? ASM2 ended without showing the full Rhino fight because the climax had already happened. But if the Sinister Six only fight Spidey in the sequel, then the movie is nothing more than a set-up film.

Can't make it a heist film, can't make it a set-up to ASM3, you can't even take a comedic approach like Superior Foes Of Spider-Man due to the nature of the Sinister Six. The general audience doesn't really care for a movie about supervillains assembling. They want to see them fighting Spider-Man.

 

[The Joker]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see the majority of the votes for no. I thought most fans wouldn't see how these spin off ideas have disaster written all over them. Restores my faith in the Spidey fan base a lot.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Sony should work with Disney and make Spiderman part of the marvel cinematic universe.

 

[jmc]

^ How would a movie that tells the story of the Six and their battle with Spidey be a '2-hour prologue'?

Because it can't really be anything else, it can't really be anything more than 2 hours of backstory for 6 characters. You can't tell a story of them battling Spider-Man from their perspective, who are the audience suppose to be supportive of? Without Spider-Man, or with very little Spider-Man all you're doing is stretching out a story that doesn't need to be told. Thing is this isn't like a HBO or AMC TV series, with a TV series you can do that kind of thing due to the weekly episodic nature of the medium, you can spend an episode devoted to a particular group of people because the overarching story spans 8-9 hours. With film it's one movie every 2-3 years with a 2.5 hour time limit, films are essentially short stories in comparison and people want stories with a beginning, middle and end.

 

[antonydelfini]

Definitely not.

Give 100% focus on giving us the best Spidey 3. Polish that script, balance that tone, develop the villain/s well.

 

[DigificWriter]

You can't tell a story of them battling Spider-Man from their perspective

Yes, you can.

See the Star Wars novels Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, The Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil and Darth Plagueis and the Star Trek novels The Eugenics Wars Vols. 1 and 2 and To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Kahn Noonien Singh as examples of how.

 

[jmc]

Yes, you can.

See the Star Wars novels Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, The Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil and Darth Plagueis and the Star Trek novels The Eugenics Wars Vols. 1 and 2 and To Reign in Hell: The Exile of Kahn Noonien Singh as examples of how.

Those are novels geared towards the fan base, you're preaching to the converted. Show me some film examples.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The principle is the same regardless of medium.

 

[Harley2004]

Sony should work with Disney and make Spiderman part of the marvel cinematic universe.

They just need to just pull back on the camp. Spider-man is better on his own.

 

[jonathancrane]

I never thought I would see a day when fans would be complaining about a film featuring the Sinister Six. Two films, if they follow the projected trajectory to ASM3.

 

[chaseter]

ASM3 in 2 years is going to be another rushed mediocre film. No more.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. I sort of hope that they do the Sinister Six just to get it over with at this point. I think the longer this takes, the more bogged down the series will get. Just do it and get it over with.

 

[jmc]

^ The principle is the same regardless of medium.

No it's not, that's not how movies work. There's a reason why there are few if any examples of stories of villains being the lead on film, it's because the audience doesn't care about them. You're comparing Star Wars and Star Trek literature which is only ever going to appeal to the hardcore fans of those series. You really expect the average Joe's of the world to buy into the idea of a Spider-Man movie without Spider-Man? Even fans aren't sold on the idea.

 

[spider-neil]

ASM3 in 2 years is going to be another rushed mediocre film. No more.

I thought ASM2 was excellent so I don't think it's mediocre but putting that to one side, X:FC is a critically lauded movie and that movie was made in 2 years. Certain movies with a long production time have been disasters and other movies with a short production time have been excellent.

 

[spider-neil]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see the majority of the votes for no. I thought most fans wouldn't see how these spin off ideas have disaster written all over them. Restores my faith in the Spidey fan base a lot.

I thought a Magneto movie was a horrible idea and didn't want to see it, I think saw the X:FC opening with Magneto's origin and upbringing and I was gripped. I could totally see how a solo Magneto could have worked.

I obviously have reservations for the movie but you don't hire the director of Cabin in the Woods if you want a paint by numbers movies exactly like you don't the director of 500 Days if you don't want an emotional core.

Do I want a S6 movie? Probably not as I have reservations and I can't wrap my head around the concept but I'll give the movie a chance if it gets made.

 

[Quasimod0]

I want a S6 and Venom movie, yes. I don't see why they can't focus on making spider-man 3 the best it can be, while also making S6 and Venom awesome too.

 

[BlackFox]

They need to concentrate on sorting Spidey out first, make a really grate ASM3, get everyone back on side and then everyone will be begging for S6 and Venom again.

ASM2 clearly suffered due to studio interference with shoehorning in the S6 angle and the damage it may have done might mean S6 will already be on to a loser before they even start.

 

[LizardMan07]

Blackfox has it completely right.

Need to throw everything they have at TASM3, delay it for a year if they have to, they need it to succeed or they're completely **** Nobody wants to go see a spin-off of a mediocre franchise, but a TDK level spidey film will remove the poor taste TASM2 left in some people's mouths.

Also, I'd watch a Magneto spin-off before I'd watch Sinister Six, Magneto is a fabulous villian.

 

[spider-neil]

They need to concentrate on sorting Spidey out first, make a really grate ASM3, get everyone back on side and then everyone will be begging for S6 and Venom again.

ASM2 clearly suffered due to studio interference with shoehorning in the S6 angle and the damage it may have done might mean S6 will already be on to a loser before they even start.

I disagree. An excellent S6 movie would generate buzz for the Spider-Man movie. There is a lot of negativity associated with Spider-Man and I think only something external to the movie will restore confidence.

If S6 surprises the heck out of everyone and actually turns out to be a good movie then there will be excitement to see Spidey go up against them. I'm hoping the choice of director means Sony wants to do something unconventional, new and fresh.

I think Venom with be what you expect to see in a superhero movie but S6 'may' be completely subversion and turn our expectations on its head.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'll repeat what I said much earlier: production on these movies is going to have zero impact on TASM3, as they're being developed independently of it and will be released AFTER it.

 

[spider-neil]

I'll repeat what I said much earlier: production on these movies is going to have zero impact on TASM3, as they're being developed independently of it and will be released AFTER it.

I saw a clip on YouTube today that said shooting for S6 starts in Jan.

 

[DACrowe]

I'm pleasantly surprised to see the majority of the votes for no. I thought most fans wouldn't see how these spin off ideas have disaster written all over them. Restores my faith in the Spidey fan base a lot.

And that also means these movies are just that more disastrous. When even the most ardent fans are seeing this as a bad idea, there is no way it is going to win over mainstream approval from mass audiences.

 

[Mysteryman]

The spinoffs will be made only if the box office for ASM2 and ASM3 make it viable .
And with Rhinos participation along with some other easter eggs,
I would say S6 has already had an impact on ASM2.

 

[spider-neil]

And that also means these movies are just that more disastrous. When even the most ardent fans are seeing this as a bad idea, there is no way it is going to win over mainstream approval from mass audiences.

Batman Begins had a higher mountain to climb than S6.

I think Sony had at least gone with a good director (imho).