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[Keyser Sushi]

It's pretty clearly just an Easter Egg. They talk about covers in the movie.

Yeah, that's...as long as that's all it is, I guess it's no biggie.

If they want to use a different version of Jimmy in the future, it's an easy fix.

Like Jenny. Remember when Jenny was Jimmy?

If the guy can be Turtle Boy and Elastic Lad, he could make it into the CIA. But I think it's just an egg.

They're removing Clark from the equation for now, because Clark's private life likely isn't terribly relevant to the events of Justice League, inasmuch as Lois can serve as the media element of that film. It'd be easy enough to bring back the Clark persona, too. The comics have done it a few times, and twice after Superman has died.

Is that a known fact? I'm fine with it as long as they don't leave him dead, but I haven't...I don't get to reading a lot of the news stories about this stuff anymore, sadly.

Will pushing him do that? Will putting him through a building? At least in one, he uses his words. Why would Bruce listen to him after he pushed him and put him through a building?

No but if Superman didn't fight back, Bruce would kill him. That was Bruce's intent. Supes had to defend himself without killing Bruce. And keep trying to talk to him,

Fights don't usually result in cooler heads prevailing right away.

Indeed.

 

[Andreth]

huh(and) really?

Yes really.

I can't even enjoy a moment on facebook without seeing that damn Martha meme on the timeline.

 

[Marvin]

Well, I don't think the death of superman plot was as earned as it could be, but I retract my comment about the quote. Makes more sense now. It seems I should watch this movie again.

Fair enough, it's easy to forget stuff like that after one viewing, however recent.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Well, I don't think the death of superman plot was as earned as it could be, but I retract my comment about the quote. Makes more sense now. It seems I should watch this movie again.

It has definitely been my experience that it rewards repeat viewings.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yes really.

I can't even enjoy a moment on facebook without seeing that damn Martha meme on the timeline.

The Martha meme makes me nuts. It's a gross oversimplification of what actually is presented in the film. Even the guy I used to buy comics from shared that damn thing. The Instant Besties one. I was like, "et tu, Ed?"

 

[MrsKent26]

As negative Nelly as I can be, I still defend the Martha moment. I still think that was clever and unexpected in the best way.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

As negative Nelly as I can be, I still defend the Martha moment. I still think that was clever and unexpected in the best way.

I love that moment. Something about the idea that Bruce gets to save Martha, you know? Gives me the feels.

 

[Andreth]

The Martha meme makes me nuts. It's a gross oversimplification of what actually is presented in the film. Even the guy I used to buy comics from shared that damn thing. The Instant Besties one. I was like, "et tu, Ed?"

Yeah, but the reality is that it's become a joke. Like it or not.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah, but the reality is that it's become a joke. Like it or not.

Oh, I know it has.

It just doesn't deserve to be.

 

[Marvin]

Yes really.

I can't even enjoy a moment on facebook without seeing that damn Martha meme on the timeline.

I see you mean the save martha meme. If people don't like it that's fine, if people don't understand it I find that kinda sad. But that such a thing can then lead to the statement that superman himself has become a joke and meme, nah.

I see memes of all sorts of characters all over my instagram all the time. There were tons about the new spidey costume or BP's power ranger attire, that didn't mean those characters had become jokes only that someone found the time to make a joke and several other people are motivated to spread it. Speaking of this propagation of it that you see from certain fans. People that don't like stuff will do what they do. It's the world we live in today. There was just as much of that going on about this (and other) film before the fact. Now they just have something to zone in on. Their hope is that you walk away thinking what you thought imo.

 

[Predator jp]

i loved Martha moment as well.
but Batman was still a dick. he owes an apology to Clark for trying to kill him. i was like 'you got some nerve to tell Martha that you are his friend you dumb f--k' lol

 

[Keyser Sushi]

i loved Martha moment as well.
but Batman was still a dick. he owes an apology to Clark for trying to kill him. i was like 'you got some nerve to tell Martha that you are his friend you dumb f--k' lol

LOL. Well I believe they'd have worked that out after the fight. No time before then, there's a clock on Martha's life and Lex was up to no good.

 

[Nemeres]

Snyder thought it'd be "fun" to kill off Jimmy Olsen. He literally said that...

This a guy who should be making Superman stories?

It's like getting Rob Zombie to make Spider-Man

I do get the "fun" of it. It's not in killing him necessarily, but in using him in an edgy Easter Egg-y way that subverts expectations. He's been in that line as far back as Man of Steel with Emil Hamilton, and in BVS with Mercy Graves and Jimmy, systematically offing Superman's supporting cast just because he has no further use for them. In ways he probably doesn't realize render characters completely unmemorable, and that are indicative of a callous, unimaginative story approach.

 

[chintai80]

Snyder thought it'd be "fun" to kill off Jimmy Olsen. He literally said that...

This a guy who should be making Superman stories?

It's like getting Rob Zombie to make Spider-Man

yea, after mos i thought snyder was a real fan and wanted to pay tribute to the mythology of superman.

but after bvs and how he talked about killing off jimmy olsen i think he's showing he doesn't really give a rat's ass about the history of the characters and the comics.

he just cares about being edgy. but making ur comic characters edgy becomes old hat. that's something thats a relic of the 90s.
snyder isn't able to capture the soul of these heroes.

 

[kedrell]

We're gonna need a helluva lot more Martha's to settle this.

 

[chintai80]

I do get the "fun" of it. It's not in killing him necessarily, but in using him in an edgy Easter Egg-y way that subverts expectations. He's been in that line as far back as Man of Steel with Emil Hamilton, and in BVS with Mercy Graves and Jimmy, systematically offing Superman's supporting cast just because he has no further use for them. In ways he probably doesn't realize render characters completely unmemorable, and that are indicative of a callous, unimaginative story approach.

^ yup, and this is how i felt about the whole movie. there's a callousness and nastiness to the whole thing. it's really all just very juvenile.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I do get the "fun" of it. It's not in killing him necessarily, but in using him in an edgy Easter Egg-y way that subverts expectations. He's been in that line as far back as Man of Steel with Emil Hamilton, and in BVS with Mercy Graves and Jimmy, systematically offing Superman's supporting cast just because he has no further use for them. In ways he probably doesn't realize render characters completely unmemorable, and that are indicative of a callous, unimaginative story approach.

I'll give you the fact that he's taken out a lot of Supes' supporting characters and in just two movies. Even with the Jimmy thing aside, since like The Guard says, it's mostly just an Easter Egg... Dr. Hamilton and Mercy are, however, not that.

Of course, Mercy's fate did show Lex to be not screwing around (unlike past filmic iterations who kind of exclusively screwed around) and Dr. Hamilton's death affected me emotionally because I was excited he was in the movie, then I was glad he had a significant role, and then I was sad that he was dead, but he'd died doing something useful, and that made it okay for me.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

^ yup, and this is how i felt about the whole movie. there's a callousness and nastiness to the whole thing. it's really all just very juvenile.

Interesting. I felt that way about the book, "A Game of Thrones." But not about this movie. Ever read Game of Thrones? I won't even watch the show.

 

[Andreth]

But isn't an easter egg supposed to be an inside joke? a message not everyone can get?

well, he's gonna be fully identified as the Jimmy Olsen in the july release.
Look , I know Jimmy isn't a vital character and everything, but is Snyder's idea of having "fun" what scares me. This coming from the guy who has Superman and a franchise at his hands.

Seeing characters/events that could have made a great Superman solo movie being taken away(Superman and Clark Kent themselves) is what upsets me.

 

[chintai80]

Interesting. I felt that way about the book, "A Game of Thrones." But not about this movie. Ever read Game of Thrones? I won't even watch the show.

haha. i haven't read the book. i watched some episodes of the show. and i agree with your sentiment about it.
it's just violent and shocking for shock's sake. so i don't care for that show.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

But isn't an easter egg supposed to be an inside joke? a message not everyone can get?

Yeah, more or less.

well, he's gonna be fully identified as the Jimmy Olsen in the july release.

I know, I'm not loving that, but I'll wait and see how I feel about it when I can see that version.

Look , I know Jimmy isn't a vital character and everything, but is Snyder's idea of having "fun" what scares me. This coming from the guy who has Superman and a franchise at his hands.

I understand. But remember, it's just a movie, and they can retcon it later if they want to.

Seeing characters/events that could have made a great Superman solo movie being taken away(Superman and Clark Kent themselves) is what upsets me.

I get that too. But you know Superman will be back and I believe Clark will be, too.

Still better than Smallville, amirite? t:

 

[Andreth]

Yeah, more or less.



I know, I'm not loving that, but I'll wait and see how I feel about it when I can see that version.



I understand. But remember, it's just a movie, and they can retcon it later if they want to.



I get that too. But you know Superman will be back and I believe Clark will be, too.

Still better than Smallville, amirite? t:

what if they pull a Smallville and say he's just his twin brother? lol

 

[Keyser Sushi]

haha. i haven't read the book. i watched some episodes of the show. and i agree with your sentiment about it.
it's just violent and shocking for shock's sake. so i don't care for that show.

Only book in my entire life I've ever hurled across a room. And I've read a lot of books. Danaerys Targaryen is twelve in the book, much younger than the gal who plays her in the show. But all that stuff with the marriage to Khal Drogo and whatnot happens in the book. Really disturbed the living hell out of me.

Anyway, I don't feel that way about BvS or MoS... when you can use violence and darkness to tell a compelling story, I don't mind it. I don't feel that the stuff that happens here happens only to be shocking for the sake of it.

Bonus points for no incest or statutory rape. Maybe Game of Thrones just adjust the bar for me somehow, I dunno. Seriously don't read that mess. Ever.

 

[MrsKent26]

A more fun way to use Jimmy would be to actually have him be Clark's friend at the DP and provide some banter.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

what if they pull a Smallville and say he's just his twin brother? lol

At least you can count on a resurrected Superman not, say, taking ten years to develop the Clark Kent persona and spending half of that time as a proto-Kent called "The Glasses."

See what I did there?