Better Batman Fight Scene: Warehouse (BvS) vs SWAT Fight (TDK)

[LvtLeeTDK]

It's always fun and intrigued to see people's opinion on these kinds of debate. So I create this one and I swear this would be a really tight one.
WAREHOUSE

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We can all agree that the Warehouse scene in BvS was fantastic. Great choreography, camera work, combined with breath-taking music from Junkie XL, it was a perfect scene that Batman deserves to have on big screen. I mean those moves from Arkham Series is absolutely brilliant.

SWAT Fight

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On the other hand, despite being bashed for terrible choreography, I have to say the SWAT scene in TDK was absolutely perfect. Nolan's directing and editing was on point, the music is just too much to handle. Batman's strategy, in this scene is nearly perfect. His strength, combined with the compusure to understand the situation and great timing have him save all the hostages. Just brilliant.

2 arguably best Batman scenes on big screen. Which one do you like more? I'm honestly not gonna vote since it's too hard to tell which one is better

 

[ARBH]

Oh boy... I suppose it depends on what you want from a Batman movie. A gritty "realistic" fight, where Batman looks and moves like a man with the aid of some gadgetry, or where he fights and moves like a comic book or video game character, performing feats of strength that are seemingly inhuman.

I enjoyed the high flying action of the BvS fight with Luthor's henchmen, as it was the first time Batman didn't seem weighed down or inhibited by his bulky costume.

 

[FunkMiller]

In the swat fight, you see Batman thinking and planning - working out the reality of the situation, and taking steps accordingly. He takes out an entire swat team, without hurting any of them, in a way that underlines how clever, forward thinking and tactically smart he is. He also stops any of the hostages being killed. And then there’s the Hans Zimmer score... the best piece of music he’s ever written. This scene encapsulates everything Batman should be about.

In the warehouse scene he beats the **** out of people, probably killing some of them. ...and that’s it. No tactics, no storytelling, no character work. He’s reckless, violent, and shows zero strategic skill.

Swat fight is better.

 

[Batmannerism]

NO disrespect to the warehouse fight, because I thought it was a brilliant example of a comic book Batman fight ( a Frank Miller Batman fight) brought into brutal life.

However, I prefer TDK's fight, for a couple of reasons

1. Brains over brutality. Not only does Batman save everyone, he does it without killing anybody and by using his brains, gadgets and a little bit of brawn. To me that's what Batman is all about.

2. Stakes/drama. In the TDK sequence you really feel the tension ( or at least we suspend our knowledge that, of course, Batman is going to save the day - we're just not sure if or how Bats is going pull off the save. Also he's much more human than Affleck's Batman, and in that way more fallible and vulnerable - as much as I enjoy seeing Batman kick ass in B v S, I never feel like he's in danger or might not make it. ( although that might also be because Nolan is a far superior director to Snyder).

Plus the Bat sonar is still awesome, even 10 years later.

 

[fan4stic]

Swat. There's a legit ticking clock and tension on both sides, in him having to save the people and fight off the cops who don't know what's going on.

 

[Abudefduf]

1. Brains over brutality. Not only does Batman save everyone, he does it without killing anybody and by using his brains, gadgets and a little bit of brawn. To me that's what Batman is all about.

2. Stakes/drama. In the TDK sequence you really feel the tension ( or at least we suspend our knowledge that, of course, Batman is going to save the day - we're just not sure if or how Bats is going pull off the save. Also he's much more human than Affleck's Batman, and in that way more fallible and vulnerable - as much as I enjoy seeing Batman kick ass in B v S, I never feel like he's in danger or might not make it. ( although that might also be because Nolan is a far superior director to Snyder).

This 100%. One fight showcases everything I love about Batman, the other represents everything that I can't stand about certain iterations of him.

 

[Pennywise]

SWAT fight, FTW!

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

Well, decided to choose SWAT Fight.

Both scenes equally great, but Nolan's directing in the SWAT scene is just out of this world. It's gotta be one of my favorite showy-directing scene.

 

[B]

Obviously 2 very different worlds, but the Batman vs Superman warehouse scene without a doubt is the better fight scene.

It's something I've wanted to see in a live action Batman for years, it's literally like Snyder looked at one of the Batman: Arkham games & decided to try & re-create that sort of a fighting style exactly. Big, fast & violent.

 

[Deck Rickard]

SWAT fight, easily. While it's true that realistically, no human could do the stuff that Batman does and I'm not sure how much of the science behind the sonar device is accurate, at least Batman wasn't throwing two-ton crates across a room at people.

 

[Boom]

In the swat fight, you see Batman thinking and planning - working out the reality of the situation, and taking steps accordingly. He takes out an entire swat team, without hurting any of them, in a way that underlines how clever, forward thinking and tactically smart he is. He also stops any of the hostages being killed. And then there’s the Hans Zimmer score... the best piece of music he’s ever written. This scene encapsulates everything Batman should be about.

In the warehouse scene he beats the **** out of people, probably killing some of them. ...and that’s it. No tactics, no storytelling, no character work. He’s reckless, violent, and shows zero strategic skill.

Swat fight is better.

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[Brother Jack]

As far as choreography goes the warehouse fight is better, and it actually very impressive in that regard. But as a holistic scene the Pruitt building siege is superior, for the way it portrays Batman at the height of his tactical powers and just how it fits in with the rest of the story. The warehouse scene is awkwardly placed in the narrative and is predicated on MARTHA.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Swat fight.

 

[Mandon Knight]

B v S, for the fight, Joker & Batman interaction at the end of the TDK fight for the emotional impact.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

As far as choreography goes the warehouse fight is better, and it actually very impressive in that regard. But as a holistic scene the Pruitt building siege is superior, for the way it portrays Batman at the height of his tactical powers and just how it fits in with the rest of the story. The warehouse scene is awkwardly placed in the narrative and is predicated on MARTHA.

^This sums it up for me. Dramatically the SWAT scene is better, but as a standalone 'nuts and bolts' fight scene the warehouse wins. I vote warehouse.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Plus the Bat sonar is still awesome, even 10 years later.

That is true!

 

[Jekecy]

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How? The operative word of this question is fight.

I can agree Nolan's was more representative of the character, but inarguably Snyder's choreography is everything fans have been wanting out of a live-action Batman fight.

I've not once had the urge to replay the SWAT sequence. Not a particularly memorable sequence in either choreography or direction.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I can agree Nolan's was more representative of the character, but inarguably Snyder's choreography is everything fans have been wanting out of a live-action Batman fight.

I remember when BvS came out people were raving about how good the warehouse fight was and saying exactly that (bolded). Even some who didn't otherwise like the movie.

I've not once had the urge to replay the SWAT sequence. Not a particularly memorable sequence in either choreography or direction.

I love TDKT, but ditto.

 

[The Joker]

SWAT sequence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warehouse mindless schlock

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^

The SWAT scene was a scene of Batman using stealth and technology to foil opposing forces without casualties. It has cringe moments of choreography (Batman karate chopping a guy in the back which seems to take nearly a full minute) but the scene not only had a sense of spectacle (amazing helicopter shots), but character too.

The warehouse fight was just The Raid with Batman in it. I go with SWAT too.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The warehouse fight is more pleasant to look at as a visual spectacle. Without looking at any of the scenes around it, it's an eye candy.

In context though
Superman: "BRUCE, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME"
Batman activates guns, so we get the title fight that ends up being money wasting and time wasting nonsense. It's even less tolerable when you remember reading the defense (I think came from the crew behind the film) for using the 'V' instead of 'VS' as "It's like a courtroom conflict, not necessarily a physical brawl".

And then we see Batman took the time to change his outfit before engaging in the battle.



TDK battle is less of a visually pleasing battle, but there is weight behind it, you feel the need to see it, you feel the emotions it intended to trigger.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Is it though? I feel the swat scene is much better to look at. The colors in the warehouse scene is overdone to the point of ugly, just like most Snyder scenes. The swat scene has very pleasant lighting.

 

[Omegabat]

As a life long Batman fan for over 2 decades there are plenty of Batman fights that would be a dream come true for me. Batman vs Deathstroke or Deadshot or Mr Freeze or another round with Bane I would love. Batman vs fodder mercs is most certainly not my dream fight. Even a trapped or handicapped Batman vs police is something that never gets old. So when I see fans claiming that Batman vs random Asian guy coming back again and again is a dream come true a part of me dies.

Zack Snyder's Batman does not fight like any Batman that I know or atleast any good version. His style is more closer to Cap America and Russo brothers have already got that covered. In a hostage situation there is no way in hell Batman would fight like the way he did in BVS. CW Arrow first season and Netflix Daredevil have the sort of fights that I want from Bat films.

The SWAT scene utterly stomps warehouse non sense. It had the threat of freaking Joker over it. Snyder could have just trimmed the fat and given us a proper KG Beast but nope some bearded clowns and an Asian guy and a rando Russian were the big villains of the only big Batman fight in 2 movies. Seriously how does Zack even reach the decisions he makes?

He restrains himself as much as possible in some areas while completely going over the top in other areas. The end result is that his films are not only boring or terrible but both.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

the best piece of music he’s ever written.

Yeah, 2:13 always give me goosebumps

However, I would argue that this is the best piece
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[FunkMiller]

How? The operative word of this question is fight.

I can agree Nolan's was more representative of the character, but inarguably Snyder's choreography is everything fans have been wanting out of a live-action Batman fight.

I've not once had the urge to replay the SWAT sequence. Not a particularly memorable sequence in either choreography or direction.

The title of this thread is Better Batman Fight Scene, so when you say Swat is more representative of the character of Batman, you’ve really answered your own question.

And Snyder’s choreography is inarguably everything fans who want a hyper-violent, reckless and brutal Batman have been wanting - other fans though? Not so much.