HBO Sci-Fi Series ‘’The Nevers’’

[Mysteryman]

Yes she is. After the attack she survived when she was 22 from a serial rapist police officer that she was largely responsible for taking down (he got 56 years) she shouldn't have had to deal with bullying or bad treatment during the Buffy/Angel years.

As for The Nevers, I quite liked the pilot. It certainly wasn't boring.

I liked the pilot, too. In plan on continuing to watch.

 

[flickchick85]

Whedon pilots are odd cases because arguably his best shows had the weakest pilots. But...I think this was a really strong pilot. Probably the best of all his pilots. So I don't know if that bodes well for the rest of the show or not.

I'll definitely keep watching to find out, though. I really want to see how the showrunner transition goes, too.

 

[Dr.]

Its so weird to split a season in half and not film the remainder. If its a hit then you have a long hiatus for 4 episodes to be produced.

I assume the delay/break was due to the combination of Whedon’s departure and COVID slowdowns.

That said… principal photography began in July 2019 and Whedon left in November 2020. That seems like a long time to have only six episodes in the can. Of course, these expensive HBO shows are probably more involved than broadcast network productions. And, again, there’s COVID. Or perhaps the BTS issues with Whedon were happening much earlier than the date of his officially announced departure.

 

[RockSP]

I liked the first episode enough to check out the rest. Never got into most of Whedon's shows, the only one I've watched was Firefly (which I enjoyed) and I didn't see that until 2013 lol. I'm checking this out as a sci-fi/fantasy fan, not a Whedonite.

 

[Sithborg]

I do think the period piece and accents helped prevent the dialogue from feeling too Whedonesque.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I thought it was decent. It's no more Whedon than Maisel is ASP so looking at it strictly as a show, its great.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

I'm here for the steampunk, it delivered.

 

[Snow Queen]

@DarthSkywalker, after realizing that this is Victorian X-Men, upon seeing the mysterious benefactor of this underclass of special people being the only one sitting down while talking at the opera: Please stand up, please stand up, please stand up, don't be in a wheelchair.

 

[Sithborg]

In the opening montage when I saw her, I was like "oh ****., really?"

I was somewhat disappointed that the premise that the Touched were only women and minorities wasn't fully the case.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

‘The Nevers’ Premiere Draws 1.4M+ Viewers Across Linear & Digital For HBO – Deadline

 

[DarthSkywalker]

@DarthSkywalker, after realizing that this is Victorian X-Men, upon seeing the mysterious benefactor of this underclass of special people being the only one sitting down while talking at the opera: Please stand up, please stand up, please stand up, don't be in a wheelchair.

I died a little inside.

I forgot the X-Men comparisons, but then the episode was straight up just Victorian era X-Men, starting Jean Grey and Beast. I am not complaining yet, but I was legit confused by how on the nose it was.

 

[Fincher]

Beast is prettier in this, though.

Honestly, I'm a fan of X-Men, a fan of the whole people endangered by their superpowers theme in general, so I really don't care. I like having Victorian "X-Men". Plus with X-Men going to Marvel Studios, this could be the closest I'm getting to the approach of the Fox franchise.

I do think the period piece and accents helped prevent the dialogue from feeling too Whedonesque.

Yeah, the dialogue is less Whedon, but he's all over the show otherwise. If someone had shown me this and asked me to guess who made it, there's no question that he'd be my answer.

I watched it again and still couldn't understand a lot of what was said, but I did pick up on details I'd missed and it benefited from the rewatch. One thing I noticed the second time around is how much I like the soundtrack.

 

[flickchick85]

I was somewhat disappointed that the premise that the Touched were only women and minorities wasn't fully the case.

That's actually a part I find intriguing. It seems to be almost entirely a certain subset of the population (hence the old rich white guys believing it's an "attack" on their entire social structure and class)...with a few rare exceptions. I'm guessing there's a reason behind those exceptions that will come to light.

 

[Fincher]

I'd have guessed Lavinia's brother was gay except that the look he shared with Penance makes me suspect there's a romantic angle there. One of those two things is probably true, though.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, the dialogue is less Whedon, but he's all over the show otherwise. If someone had shown me this and asked me to guess who made it, there's no question that he'd be my answer.

I was fairly relieved that Whedon didn't attempt to take advantage of being on HBO. He didn't go GOT or Westworld with the nudity, thank god. That, honestly was a concern I had, so I was thankful when it cut away when Mrs. True was getting dressed.

That's actually a part I find intriguing. It seems to be almost entirely a certain subset of the population (hence the old rich white guys believing it's an "attack" on their entire social structure and class)...with a few rare exceptions. I'm guessing there's a reason behind those exceptions that will come to light.

There were a few too many guys highlighted at the opera, for my preference of the metaphor.

Also, is it weird that I seem to prefer to refer to the lead characters as Mrs. True and Ms. Adair?

 

[flickchick85]

I was fairly relieved that Whedon didn't attempt to take advantage of being on HBO. He didn't go GOT or Westworld with the nudity, thank god. That, honestly was a concern I had, so I was thankful when it cut away when Mrs. True was getting dressed.

OMG, I was right there with you. I literally said "oh no, please don't..." out loud.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, the man ass in this episode, was overtly FX levels.

 

[chamber-music]

It felt like I watched Steampunk X-Men. Also remined me of Da Vinci's Demons which had Tom Riley as the lead.

Had their own Brotherhood of evil touched and Hellfire Club.

I must of missed that James Norton was in this. Norton is one of the actors who's name frequently comes up for playing James Bond one day.

 

[RockSP]

I forgot the X-Men comparisons, but then the episode was straight up just Victorian era X-Men, starting Jean Grey and Beast. I am not complaining yet, but I was legit confused by how on the nose it was.

Heh, those two didn't even cross my mind. Jean isn't a precog (or she wasn't the last time I read a book with her in it) and though Beast is a brainy type, when I think "gadget guy" my mind would go to Forge. Though it would be Reed or Pym before him lol.

 

[Fincher]

I was definitely aware that I was watching Victorian X-Men, but I didn't look for comparisons between specific characters. I think what was once the domain of X-Men has become something of a trope/theme. In the mainstream we've had Heroes/Heroes Reborn and that movie Push, and that's not counting people with special (sometimes unique) powers being exploited which goes as far back as Firestarter.

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, the theme and metaphor are hardly unique. Given who seems to be the majority of the Touched.

I am curious if the main lord antagonist remembers the incident, like Maliday clearly does.

 

[Fincher]

True, but I think The Nevers handles it differently by making their minority status the reason for the discrimination against The Touched rather than it being their powers in and of themselves. If it was the "men of stature" or whatever the one guy said who were given the powers, it'd probably be characterized not as an affliction but as proof of their divine providence. Which, in my opinion, works better than what some want to do with X-Men where they're discriminated against for their powers, but it also brings up them being discriminated against for race/sex/etc separately.

 

[obredaan]

‘The Nevers’ Premiere Draws 1.4M+ Viewers Across Linear & Digital For HBO – Deadline

Those are impressive numbers.

 

[RockSP]

I was definitely aware that I was watching Victorian X-Men, but I didn't look for comparisons between specific characters. I think what was once the domain of X-Men has become something of a trope/theme. In the mainstream we've had Heroes/Heroes Reborn and that movie Push, and that's not counting people with special (sometimes unique) powers being exploited which goes as far back as Firestarter.

It goes back farther than that, even. Escape to Witch Mountain comes to mind, but I'm sure there are plenty of examples.

As for the X-men's domain, due to their popularity people love to compare anything involving people with powers to them, but they definitely didn't create that concept lol. Now if it's about a school of people with powers the comparisons makes a little more sense (though I can't say with confidence they were the first to do that, just possibly the most well known).

 

[chamber-music]

Olivia Williams went from Moria McTaggert in X-Men: The Last Stand to Victorian Professor X