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Glad you enjoyed it! Definitively better than Crystal Skull will do fine for me. I rate ToD higher than most so the OT with all its history is pretty much out of reach unless someone brings out one of the overall best modern films, which is asking a bit much of the same people so many decades later. Very excited to finally see it myself and say goodbye.
I understand that. Decades ago I went to the theater to see everything. Then I started cutting back because of marriage and all the home video choices. But the pandemic really slashed my theater going. Now I go about 5 times a year, and they are mostly superhero films. Although, this year, every few months my daughter and I go and see the latest re-release of a Hayao Miyazaki film....in July it's Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind. But yeah, my theater going is primarily event films.....and Indy is an event film.
I think you're gonna really enjoy it. The opening scene is absolutely phenomenal and Im so happy we got to see Indy at a later stage in life. I kept waiting for something to feel off but it never happened and im actually eager to see it again already. I gotta give props to Mangold for making this movie as emotional as it is. It feels like a nice epilogue to everything.
Good to hear on the opening scene. Raiders already has one of my all-time favourite openings for a film. There’s always going to be emotion seeing probably the final big Harrison Ford nostalgia moment with Indy after Deckard and Solo. I’ll be happy with a decent goodbye even if the film doesn’t otherwise knock it out of the park.
The more I'm thinking about it, the more I love it honestly. I think what I admire is they didn't shy away from Harrison's age. The opening gives you that adrenaline rush, and it feels like a lost Indiana Jones adventure post crusade and ore crystal skull. Then you get to 1969 and everything feels so different but in a welcome way. You literally feel the whole new world Indy is in compared to the time period of the past movies. I really really appreciated that.
this moment had me in tears
I'm really, really torn about it. I've never agreed with so much of a film's praise and still not be happy with it
Ultimately, I was disappointed. Not that it's a bad film--it isn't. It's a very good adventure film. I'm going to see it again tomorrow and hope to change my mind, but as of now, it's at the bottom of my ranking. This is not a scathing condemnation because I have always loved KOTCS, so Dial of Destiny being below it for me is not being done in the spirit of the crazy culture war freaks (or the fans who overreacted to KOTCS).
The biggest issue for me is that I didn't come away from the film having had a rousing, triumphant time. The first half, while it could have excited me more, was all fine. While KOTCS flirted very briefly with some melancholy, DoD goes further with it and I appreciated that. However, cinematically, it didn't do what you might expect--it didn't turn around in the third act and start feeling hopeful or rousing. For me, it kind of sputtered out, which I think was by design, so I can't call it a flaw. But it didn't gel for me.
Indy honestly did take a bit of a back seat to Helena. Now, I ain't one of those lunatics whose manhood is threatened by her competency, but I honestly feel like they forget to have Indy really be keeping up by the latter half of the film. Jones, for my money, should have been slightly better than Helena, or have that key insight that she doesn't have that wins the day, maybe. But perhaps this feeling could have been offset for me by Indy being more proactive, action-wise. The moment in the film that seems like it's going to give us that (Indy gets a gun and starts shooting back in the tomb) gets deflated a moment later when Indy gets shot, and then basically does nothing for the rest of the film. Sure, he's old and wounded, but this is a fantasy movie--we can stretch that credibility a bit to have Indy really pull through and pound some Nazis in the finale, at least.
I wish Indy at least got to kill the villain and send him off with a pithy remark.
I dunno. I think people who hate this movie but hated KOTCS really owe KOTCS an apology, as Skull feels, at the end of the day, like an Indy film in the same mold as the original trilogy. Even if you hated the aliens--it still felt the way you expect an Indy film to feel. While KOTCS still does have the most outrageous finale (I wasn't bothered by the time travel in this, aside from some logistical sticking points), the rest is what you expect.
Mangold breaks from formula, and I can't fault him for it, and I wouldn't have been as bothered if we had a chance for another film in the pipeline, but this is it, and in actuality, I would want the series to go out with a rousing return-to-form, not an unexpected new one.
Removing my biases, I'd give it an 8/10. But in my heart, I only feel a 4/10 for it.
Glad you loved it, GK! I really liked it too and I agree with a lot of what you said. I don't know that I'll be seeing it again in theaters but I'm looking forward to watching it again once it hits Disney+
Yeah. If I'm real, even knowing some spoilers, I was not expecting the feel of this movie. It felt like Uncharted 4 more then anything else, imo.Yeah, stuff like this is why I'm torn. I like Indy's sidekicks to be useful and there's nothing I appreciate more than education. I loved that Helena, on paper, was his equal--but it didn't end up feeling that way to me after a while. Indy had a feeling of verve and self motivation in the first half. I suppose that, for whatever reason, he starts to feel very passive in the second half of the movie for me. Helena doesn't have to pick up his slack or anything, but I was expecting more moments that showcased what he still could bring to the team. Moments like figuring out the water displacement mechanism.
I suppose it is the fact that it feels more like Logan than I would have expected. I felt like the bitterness was going to start to alleviate as the film carried on, but it kind of never did. On paper, he reunites with Marion so we know that he will be alright, but that resolution is only implied and not really felt for me, or at least not enough. And that's why I applaud it as a film, because there isn't anything wrong with taking a franchise new places... I just suppose I wasn't prepared for it to go as far as it did, and instead of wrapping up with the same feel of the previous movies, for me it sort of sputtered out and just ended.
I terms of tone. It was much better then that two-bit ripoff.
Truly glad you enjoyed it. I was worried for you there for a minute.
