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Kel just owned.
No there's not, there is actually a very distinct line drawn through the bylaws of most districts. They usually run along these lines....
Within 300 yards of the school where the student attends, and until 4:00 p.m. what happens in that area, or on and around the districts transportation (bus) the school has jurisdiction. Other than that, no....it is not the school's responsibility.
As a teacher, I am not paid to raise the child, I am paid to teach the child. NOW, as a teacher I do need to take into account that student's home life, but that is simply a part of being a good teacher, I am not that student's parent, I don't have the law behind me that the parent has in certain areas, therefore those areas the teacher needs to STAY OUT OF....and teach. IF THAT CELLPHONE USAGE, as we are talking about in this case, is keeping learning from happening in my classroom....THEN AND ONLY THEN, does the law back ME AS THE EDUCATOR, and therefore, I can take that baby up, and follow the discipline plan of my school.
no where, does it say that I am to "teach" morality or even respect.
No where in my TEKS does it say it is my responsibility to "teach" those things.
Does the school play a role in the development of students...YES.
Are we responsible by law for that development? No.
But, that is what a teacher does.....we teach. So if you say it is our responsibility then how exactly are we to take care of this responsibility except to teach it?
I understand where you are coming from, but you are putting a responsibility on to the school that it just cannot do.
We can model those things we think that students should learn as far as values, but we are not "responsible" in legal terms
if the student does not follow whatever moral standing you think they should have. How do you quantify if the school did its job in the moral standing of its students? If the student goes to jail because they robbed a home, who is responsible? Who does the judge say is responsible. I can assure you the only thing that judge will want to know as far as the school is concerned is....how many times was the kid absent? What are his/her grades like. And that is the only responsibility that that judge will put on the school as to the decisions that that kid made. But, that judge will damn sure talk to that parent, ask where they were?
So, according to that judge who's responsibility is it to raise that kid?
The judge doesn't even hold the school responsible if the student doesn't attend, the school doesn't get the fine, the parent does.
If a student cusses out a teacher, the teacher doesn't get the ticket from the police officer,the police officer doesn't write the teacher a ticket for not teaching that student that it is wrong to show that disrespect, the parent gets the $500 ticket.
Does it take a village? sure.....but the village is not responsible for that child's values, the parent is....AND the student.
The school is responsible for that students protection under the confines of the law that I stated in an earlier post. Further than 300 yards, in some cases 400 and 4:00 p.m. no, that school is not responsible for that students safety unless that student is part of a school function that bares that school's name.
As far as sexting, as I also stated earlier, if it is happening within the confines of that school, or during a school sponsored activity, then yes that school is responsible for taking care of the discipline that is a part of that school's discipline plan.
Also, when the police investigate things that go on between students, yes they will investigate what happens at school, but only within the constraints of what I did before. What happens when school is in session will be a part of that investigation, but will those police officers hold the school responsible for what happens outside of that time? No....
IF bullying is happening during school time, and the school does nothing, the school should be held responsible....IF the bullying is not happening during school time, and at the home, etc.....then no the school is not responsible.
IF there is abuse going on at home and I find out about it, and do nothing.....UNDER THE LAW, I can be held responsible. BUT, that is legally set out in writing.....under the law, just as it is for Doctors, Nurses, etc....BUT, my responsibility ENDS immediately when I report the issue to my authority, the Assistant Principal, Principal, etc.
Just to give a few examples...
like i mentioned in my last post, and you did in yours: by being role models, praise when done well and punishment when wrong. there's more ways to learn that saying "turn to chapter 11 class"
I really don't think I'm expressing anything that isn't already being done in schools. For example, my mother is an elementary school teacher. Being an artist, I often go in as a guest speaker. Been doing it for years. Each time, with out fail, she and her aid are "teaching" the students manners (be quiet when he's talking; say please; say thank you, etc).
of course not. and i think that is the fundamental issue between our view points. as a teacher, when you read me say "responsible", your taking it to mean from a legal standpoint, because that would directly affect you. I am not. My girlfriend says that I'm "responsible" for vacuuming our apartment. I'm not going to jail if i don't, but the place (and she) is nicer if I do.
only thing i'll disagree with (somewhat) in this post. Yes, this is the way things are handled now, and yes, the school doesn't have the right to punish the bully for his actions outside of school. However, referring back to my very first post, this would be a situation where I feel that the school should be allowed to intervene (at request of the victim's parents) to discuss the matter with the bully (and his parents) and take measures to ****** it since it'd only be a matter of time before it began to happen within school.
excellent examples and points. However, again i think our differences lie in how severely you and i are perceiving what it means to be "responsible" for protection and learned interaction skills (morals, manners, whatever) of students. I am not discussing this in a legal sense. And hell, maybe "responsibility" isn't the proper word to use in this discussion since you're taking it in its most literal meaning where as that was not my intent.