The Iran Thread II

[Thundercrack85]

Amazing Obama pulled of yet another milestone the past 4 presidents couldn't achieve

Eh, let's not break out the champagne just yet.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Eh, let's not break out the champagne just yet.

It doesn't matter how you look at it this is historic. Obama was able to achieve a nuclear deal with Iran. That is something nobody thought could get done when he took office. I haven't looked enough into the deal to make a solid determination as to what my opinion on it is yet but it is historic. Regardless of whether Iran actually keeps it's word and abides by the deal it's still historic. No two ways about it

 

[Thundercrack85]

I am really beginning to hate that word.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I am really beginning to hate that word.

Well how would you describe something that 4 other presidents attempted to do in one way or another yet was achieved by Obama? I'm just curious

 

[SV Fan]

Way I look at it, if it works, great. If it doesn't work, well we gave them a chance and it failed and we no worse then where we are now with the exception we can claim we gave them a shot.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well how would you describe something that 4 other presidents attempted to do in one way or another yet was achieved by Obama? I'm just curious

Unprecedented. Unparalleled. First of a kind. Novel. That word has just been used too damn much in the media.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Way I look at it, if it works, great. If it doesn't work, well we gave them a chance and it failed and we no worse then where we are now with the exception we can claim we gave them a shot.

Gives Israel time to gas up the F-16's.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

It would be in Israel's interest to sabotage this deal. Right now though, it is also in their interest to stay put and wait for CIA clearance to send their operatives to learn more about their nuclear and military capability. This deal gives them access to expand their spy network in Iran.

 

[Taarna]

Obama and Kerry crossed every one of their own red lines

In 2013, Kerry declared of the Iranians, “There is no right to enrich.” Two years later? The final agreement allows Iran to keep 5,000 centrifuges, 2,000 more than Pakistan had when it secretly built a nuclear arsenal.

Nor will Iran be limited to current technology; Kerry has ceded Iran’s right to experiment with new-generation centrifuges exponentially more powerful than Iran has now.

But centrifuges are only one part of Iran’s illicit program. In 2013, Kerry told Congress the “whole point of the [sanctions] regime” was to force Iran to “dismantle its nuclear program.” But the deal to which Kerry agreed lets Iran keep everything in place.

This includes Fordo, the once-covert nuclear site Iran built under a mountain.

It gets worse. In 1991, the International Atomic Energy Agency required South Africa to come clean on the past 20 years of its nuclear work in order to certify that it had ceased its nuclear-weapons program.

Anything short of that, and the IAEA said it could not certify that all material was accounted for. And yet, Kerry caved on this, effectively crafting a deal the IAEA can’t certify.

Then, Kerry backed down on demands that inspectors be able to conduct snap inspections on military sites. Those inspections are necessary because this is where, according to the IAEA, Iran worked on everything from components for a warhead to detonators.

Finally, he allowed Iran essentially to pre-approve any inspection. That’s the equivalent of having a criminal pre-approve a search warrant.

Then, of course, there’s the arms embargo. It gets lifted after a short period of time. It also means Iran can export them to terrorist groups across the region.

Essentially, Obama is reimbursing Iran in full for decades of investment in a covert nuclear program.

The White House insists that Iran will use that money for good, but history disagrees. When Europe tried a similar strategy between 2000 and 2005, Iran invested the bulk of its hard-currency windfall in its covert nuclear program and ballistic missiles.

http://nypost.com/2015/07/14/obama-a...own-red-lines/

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Iran has no interest in using nuclear weapons. Like any other nation, they will use it to deter invasion....like Israel.

 

[chamber-music]

This deal is worth Billions to the Iranians. The amount of money they stand to profit from with sanctions being dropped and other benefits makes it in their interest to stick to the deal.

 

[SV Fan]

This deal is worth Billions to the Iranians. The amount of money they stand to profit from with sanctions being dropped and other benefits makes it in their interest to stick to the deal.

A Strong Iran in the Middle East who are on good terms with the US is probably the best thing that can happen for American Interests in the Middle East

 

[Marvolo]

A Strong Iran in the Middle East who are on good terms with the US is probably the best thing that can happen for American Interests in the Middle East

Not to mention a more economically stable Iran is a lot better for the future of the Middle Eaast than an unstable broke Iran. Strangling the country and its people wasnt helping the Middle East and was just causing resentment. At least now the economy might grow and the young people of Iran may actually have a chance at a better future.

 

[Destructus86]

There is no way Iran is going to stick with the deal. They have a history of ignoring the demands of the U.N. why would they listen to us? A country they deem evil due to their beliefs as an Islamic state.

 

[chamber-music]

Iranian parliament reportedly attacked by for guys claiming to be allied with ISIS.

 

[hopeless]

Iranian parliament reportedly attacked by for guys claiming to be allied with ISIS.

What are the odds it's actually an internal problem caused by the result of their last election and someone thought they can coax them to restore a hardliner?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Hamas fights with a patchwork of weapons built by Iran, China, Russia and North Korea

An Associated Press analysis of more than 150 videos and photos shows the militant group has amassed an arsenal that includes Iranian, Chinese, Russian and North Korean weapons.

apnews.com

Iran Executed Its Farthest Ballistic Missile Strike Ever With New Weapon

Iran unleashed its Kheiber Shekan medium range ballistic missile on a target in Syria, demonstrating it can reach Israel.

www.thedrive.com

Iran strikes ‘militant bases’ in Pakistan in latest Middle East flashpoint

Pakistan says attacks killed two children in ‘unprovoked violation’ of its airspace, adding to regional instability sparked by Israel-Gaza war

www.theguardian.com

Statement by the Spokesperson on Last Night’s Violation of Pakistan’s Sovereignty by Iran

Statement by the Spokesperson on Last Night’s Violation of Pakistan’s Sovereignty by Iran

mofa.gov.pk

Iraq vows to take Iran to UN after attack on Israeli ‘spy base’

Civilians killed in strikes on Erbil include millionaire Kurdish businessman and his family, medical sources say

www.theguardian.com

 

[Iceman]

Hamas fights with a patchwork of weapons built by Iran, China, Russia and North Korea

An Associated Press analysis of more than 150 videos and photos shows the militant group has amassed an arsenal that includes Iranian, Chinese, Russian and North Korean weapons.

apnews.com

Iran Executed Its Farthest Ballistic Missile Strike Ever With New Weapon

Iran unleashed its Kheiber Shekan medium range ballistic missile on a target in Syria, demonstrating it can reach Israel.

www.thedrive.com

Iran strikes ‘militant bases’ in Pakistan in latest Middle East flashpoint

Pakistan says attacks killed two children in ‘unprovoked violation’ of its airspace, adding to regional instability sparked by Israel-Gaza war

www.theguardian.com

Statement by the Spokesperson on Last Night’s Violation of Pakistan’s Sovereignty by Iran

Statement by the Spokesperson on Last Night’s Violation of Pakistan’s Sovereignty by Iran

mofa.gov.pk

Iraq vows to take Iran to UN after attack on Israeli ‘spy base’

Civilians killed in strikes on Erbil include millionaire Kurdish businessman and his family, medical sources say

www.theguardian.com

Great. Did they figure we don't have enough wars going on right now?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Iran is attacking everyone now...not even their ostensible allies are safe.

Iran Says Missile Strikes Show It Will Be ‘Tough and Decisive’ With Foes

The country has hit targets in Syria, Iraq and Pakistan with missiles this week, signaling to hard-line supporters that it is not passive in the face of threats.

www.nytimes.com

The morning after Iranian attacks on neighboring Pakistan and Iraq, Iran’s defense minister vowed Wednesday that his country would “not set any limits” on using its missile capabilities against enemies whenever necessary.

“We are a missile power in the world,” the minister, Mohammad Reza Ashtiani, told reporters at a cabinet meeting, according to state media. “Wherever they want to threaten the Islamic Republic of Iran, we will react, and this reaction will definitely be proportionate, tough and decisive.”

Iran has demonstrated its willingness to use its military might — even when it involves striking the territory of its allies and neighbors — with back-to-back attacks on Syria late on Monday, then Iraq and Pakistan on Tuesday. The strikes could further inflame a widening conflict across the Middle East.

U.S. says it seized Iran missile parts bound for the Houthis after SEALs went overboard

The arms discovered by the SEALs were the same type of weapons that the Yemeni rebels have used to attack international shipping in the Red Sea, the U.S. military said Tuesday.

www.nbcnews.com

2 Missing SEALs Were on Mission to Stop Yemen-Bound Iranian Weapons, U.S. Says

The seized items, including missile guidance systems and warheads, were for the Iran-backed Houthi militia, which has been targeting ships in the Red Sea, the Pentagon said.

www.nytimes.com

 

[squeekness]

Great. Did they figure we don't have enough wars going on right now?

I'm afraid of another global war with everyone fighting each other.

 

[Iceman]

I'm afraid of another global war with everyone fighting each other.

Things have got sharply worse in the last few years with Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Gaza and now this. That’s all even without China making any moves on Taiwan. They will see the West is distracted so it’s not comforting to think of the possibilities.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Pakistan launches retaliatory airstrikes on Iran after attack

Pakistan has launched retaliatory airstrikes on Iran after an attack from Tehran earlier in the week. The strikes imperil diplomatic relations between the two neighbors, as Iran and nuclear-armed Pakistan have long regarded each other with suspicion.

scrippsnews.com

 

[blueharvest]

Just what that area needs: another war.

 

[blueharvest]

India defends Iran, cites its position against terrorism

After Iran’s airstrikes on Pakistan, Ministry of External Affairs said India “understands” actions in self-defence against terrorism

www.thehindu.com

 

[squeekness]

Everybody's picking on everyone else.