What is teh order below Batman

good canon but just some minor changes.

1. batman

Incorrect. There are about 6 or so martial artists definitely above Batman.

2. oracle/batgirl

Barbara's crippled. Not to mention, she wasn't that noticeable as a martial artist.

3. robin/nightwing

Doesn't make the top 10, really.

4. Lady Shiva

3rd, actually, as stated by Prometheus in Birds of Prey.

4th, if we include Karate Kid.

5. Bronze Dragon
6. Karate Kidd

Now you're being ridiculous.

Karate Kid is the undisputed number 1 martial artist of the DCU both past (current DCU) and present (his present). He trumps every other DCU martial artist by MAGNITUDES.

7. Deathstroke (if you count meta's)
8. Cassandra Cain

CC > Deathstroke. CC > Lady Shiva, actually. She should be around number 2.

9. Richard Dragon

Actually, he's number 1 in the modern day DCU, if not 2nd.
 
Actually, he's number 1 in the modern day DCU, if not 2nd.

Considering Richard's thoughts during his fight with Connor I wonder if he could have beat Shiva too and that would have made her go down further. Of course, I'm pretty sure she'll come back nastier than before after all the crap that she's been through.

BTW, if you don't know the phenomena that is Jplaya then I'll tell you that it's pretty useless to reason with him.:(
 
Oh, I'm well aware of the poster that is jplaya2023.
 
my canon stands.

Karate Kid is overrated. Batman would destroy him in any type of fight. Impact batarangs anyone?
 
Canon requires proof. You're like X, if he were ten times worse.
 
my canon stands.

Correction, "your canon", which is really your opinions, do not stand.

Even DC writers and staff themselves would laugh at you for even believing that Batman > Val. You're just being ridiculous for believing that Batman is better than Val.

Karate Kid is overrated. Batman would destroy him in any type of fight.

You severely overrate Batman. Karate Kid would easily handle any other DCU martial artist. He's from 1000 years in the modern DCU's future.

Impact batarangs anyone?

Now non-MA weapons are sanctioned for Batman to use in a strictly h2h martial arts fight? Real martial artist he is.
 
Smile.
An earth normal who can whoop a Kryptonian,... or a Daximite?

Hands down de best.
 
Smile.
An earth normal who can whoop a Kryptonian,... or a Daximite?

Hands down de best.

Yup! And Shikari (also from the Legion) also beat a holographic version of Bats that was part of a JLA guarding War World.
 
New rule, Lady Shiva is now only refered to as Lady Shive
 

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