Days of Future Past Have you seen X-Men: First Class? Post here!

[X-Maniac]

i dont think that was a nod to X3 but more a nod to the comics...Beast going from human to blue and furry was pretty much spot on...

When I returned from the cinema last night, X-Men: The Last Stand was showing on TV as i flicked through the channels. I ended up leaving it on while i did some stuff on the computer and i thought the cure stuff in First Class does link quite well to X3.

I agree Beast's transformation closely follows the comics storyline. But what happened in First Class made Beast's reaction to the cure in X3 and his reaction to the boy's temporary effect on de-mutating his arm seem much more.

When Storm says 'They can't cure us', Hank says 'Well, scientifically speaking..' and Storm interrupts him. You can almost imagine that he would have gone on to say 'Well, scientifically speaking, it's certainly possible, although my own experiments were hardly a success.'

And his reaction at seeing what Leech did seemed more resonant and poignant in the light of what happened to him in First Class. In my view, of course.

Of course, overall, First Class has far more emotional depth than X3, which uses broad brush strokes to tell its story and rarely offers genuine, deep emotion.

 

[roach]

dammit i am not trying to watch X3 again

 

[UltimateJustin]

The cure actually had a message in FC unlike X3. In X3 Rogue learned you should change who you are for some boy whereas Hank was told "Mutant and Proud."

X3 doesn't really explore the theme on more than a base level, but surely there is a message there for discussion about about freedom of choice, even for a mutant to choose to deny her powers. She never learned that's what she 'should' do, and most of the people she respects tried to steer her the opposite way, but she believed she had the right to do something to make her life enjoyable for her. 'Mutant and Proud' isn't exactly a new theme for this series, no offense to FC.

 

[X Knight]

In March 2011, Shuler Donner revealed that the film(X4) was in "active development at Fox," saying, "We took the treatment to Fox and they love it...And X4 leads into X5.

I did not know this

hmmm..........not sure how I feel about this.

I would think having 2 separate "timelines" running at or around the same time would confuse the general audience.

Like, if the next X-men movie was X4, which followed the events of X3, and then the movie after that was the First Class sequel, you'd be jumping back and forth between different timelines and different sets of actors.

don't think that would work out too well..........

 

[By your Command]

'Mutant and Proud' isn't exactly a new theme for this series, no offense to FC.

That's true, but you know which theme is new to the series and just wont't leave?, the choosing of sides, they just can't make an X-Men movie without people scrambling for teams, that's something I really wish the (possible) sequel won't do.

 

[roach]

Things I did like about XFC:

The suits: For years we've heard how the suits couldnt work in film and they proved everyone wrong.

Chess: Xavier and Magneto playing chess on the steps of the Lincoln memorial is a link to the end of X-men.

Blackbird: I liked that they went with the original jet instead of one of the Jim Lee ones like the other movies. Also the fact that it crashed...as a long time reader back when the New X-men debuted (Wolverine, Storm, Colossus and company) almost everytime they got into the Blackbird it crashed or blew up.

I liked other parts but these didnt get posted yet

 

[roach]

That's true, but you know which theme is new to the series and just wont't leave?, the choosing of sides, they just can't make an X-Men movie without people scrambling for teams, that's something I really wish the (possible) sequel won't do.

no one switched teams in the first one nor the third one

 

[ciscostudent561]

Pyro switched teams

 

[roach]

Pyro switched teams

yeah in X2

 

[By your Command]

no one switched teams in the first one nor the third one

Two words: Jean Grey.

 

[X-Maniac]

That's true, but you know which theme is new to the series and just wont't leave?, the choosing of sides, they just can't make an X-Men movie without people scrambling for teams, that's something I really wish the (possible) sequel won't do.

Well, since we have the social/genetic divide of mutants and humans, and within the mutants we then have those who want peace/co-existence and those who don't, I think that taking sides, or changing sides, is automatically a feature of the franchise.

Wolverine chose to side with the X-Men in X1, Magneto and the X-Men joined sides in X2, Pyro moved to the dark side in X2, Jean Grey did the same in X3. Shifting allegiances is part of the drama. How else can they make it unpredictable and interesting?

 

[roach]

Two words: Jean Grey.

but that wasnt Jean..it was the Phoenix force...in X4 we find out that Jean is in a stasis pod at the bottom of Alkali Lake while the Phoenix impersonated her...lol

yeah I forgot she joined Magneto

 

[By your Command]

Well, since we have the social/genetic divide of mutants and humans, and within the mutants we then have those who want peace/co-existence and those who don't, I think that taking sides, or changing sides, is automatically a feature of the franchise.

It is, but it's become so on the nose, at least they should make it subtle, Pyro on "X2" was beautifully done, a couple of glances, attitude, no words needed.

 

[roach]

It is, but it's become so on the nose, at least they should make it subtle, Pyro on "X2" was beautifully done, a couple of glances, attitude, no words needed.

yeah there was a real "seduction" going on

 

[By your Command]

but that wasnt Jean..it was the Phoenix force...in X4 we find out that Jean is in a stasis pod at the bottom of Alkali Lake while the Phoenix impersonated her...lol

yeah I forgot she joined Magneto

I literally screamed with laughter, that was awesome, it really, really was.

 

[roach]

I literally screamed with laughter, that was awesome, it really, really was.

freakin X-Factor number 1

 

[By your Command]

freakin X-Factor number 1

Yeah, comic books, you gotta love em.

 

[roach]

i mean im not really upset I've been a fan of the originals and the all new all different for a long time

 

[By your Command]

Oh me too! the new X-Factor, it's impressively good, if anything I want them to reboot Jamie Madrox, cause just as everyone says that Emma Frost was not on "Wolverine", I say that Jamie wasn't on X3.

 

[roach]

i stopped reading X-men a long time ago...its become something else entirely

 

[By your Command]

i stopped reading X-men a long time ago...its become something else entirely

Well I can't vouch for the "X-Men" comics, but I can tell you that "X-Factor Investigations" its superb, especially when you get to the end of the first 40 issues... If you can give it a look, great team, great storylines.

 

[spider-neil]

Bottom line, it's Storm.

it can't be storm. it was 1962 and the little girl was at least 6 that would put storm in her late 40's when clearly storm is in her 30's (at most)

 

[roach]

it can't be storm. it was 1962 and the little girl was at least 6 that would put storm in her late 40's when clearly storm is in her 30's (at most)

its storm...the time thing is confusing for the writers too...which is why we cant get a straight answer on if Havok is Scott's brother or father

 

[Deaths Head II]

it can't be storm. it was 1962 and the little girl was at least 6 that would put storm in her late 40's when clearly storm is in her 30's (at most)

The original trilogy could be set in the 90s. And I don't think Vaughn and Singer are being extremely strict when it comes to sticking to continuity.

 

[runawayboulder]

I saw First Class today and it was terrific. Very well done all around. When this movie was first announced I first thought I would just wait for the DVD but the trailer helped change that. It wasn't the best comic book movie but it was one of the good ones. Maybe just outside of the top 10 all time comic movies. Strong work by Vaughn.

The performances were strong which is something the original trilogy lacked sometimes, so credit the writers on that. Also credit them for the awesome tie in to the Cuban Missile Crisis and political thriller edge to it.

McAvoy, Bacon and Fassbender were the best actors of the film. January Jones was a pleasant surprise considering I don't watch Mad Men.

Beast looked 50 times better than in X3. Azazel and Riptide were really cool despite minimal lines.

The costumes are way better and much more faithful to the comics.

I'm hoping for Mr Sinister and Apocalypse in the next movies.

And last but not least Jennifer Lawrence is HOT HOT HOT. I've heard of her prior to this, now Winter's Bone is at the top of my must watch list.


Some more spoilerific thoughts:

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The cameos were great. Jackman's scene was hilarious and drew a big laugh from the audience. Rebecca Romijn's cameo drew a lot of gasps and oh's and ah's as well. The cameos didn't stop there, Michael Ironside and James Remar were pleasant surprises as well. The casting director did a great job bringing in familiar faces.

I wish Rose Byrne had a little bit more to do in the movie. I was hoping for a stronger romantic build up with Xavier. I hope she gets a bigger role next time around.

I though Oliver Platt was going to have a larger role throughout the entire film. I honestly was surprised he was killed halfway through.

I felt that Angel and Darwin were kinda wasted in the movie. Angel switching sides halfway through didn't have an impact for me. They were just starting to build her up and she joins the Hellfire Club at the snap of Shaw's fingers while Frost was forgotten about in the 2nd half. Angel then became Shaw's woman with no real explanation as to her motives. I'm not buying fear, they're kids, they were all afraid. She needed something more I felt.

Darwin would have made the end fight better, it was a little on the weak side.

I didn't like the fact that Xavier ended up in the wheelchair so fast. If this is the first of a planned trilogy, I thing it would have served better at the end of the 2nd movie leading into the 3rd and final installment. It was odd seeing a young guy in the chair.