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Terrible line, and when he does the kung fu moves in front of Michelle Yeoh's character when she's caught.....
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Terrible line, and when he does the kung fu moves in front of Michelle Yeoh's character when she's caught.....
Btw, as I said before, my favorite villain plot is Thunderball. Largo's plan of stealing atomic bombs and holding the world for ransom may not be as creative, but I always felt that added great tension and suspense to Bond finding the bombs.
It was a shame given that there is definitely good material in a crazy power mad media mogul, but they got the balance wrong and he came off as goofy.
006's was a decent one and King's had a degree of possibility in it, I think with Bond it's how the villain is presented that tips the balance on whether the audience can suspend disbelief for the plan or not, as PW pointed out with Stromberg > Drax.
Agreed, it was no coincidence that Moore's next outing as Bond was a very scaled back cold war type of espionage thriller, maybe the most grounded plot of all the Bond movies.
TND is an okay film, but I can see why people were disappointed with this film after seeing Goldeneye.
Agreed, TND was probably an even bigger disappointment as a follow up to Goldeneye, than Quantum of Solace was as a follow up to Casino Royale.
After what happened with that other potential franchise with Campbell, I'd be surprised if EON talks to him, and he doesn't at least consider it.
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See even though its not very clever I can believe Thunderballs big scheme in the espionage (with a fantastical twist) world of Bond. And I can see a pretty clear benefit off holding the worlds governments hostage with nukes.
I'll go with a simple but well told idea over a unique but poorly conceived one.
The fact that Carver got killed and I didn't have a sense of satisfaction drives that home. That should be what you look forward to most at the end.
One day I'd like to see the Bond movies revisit some of those ideas in TND though. I really do look at guys like Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch and its scary how they can use their reach to condition public opinion. Its got to be something much more sinister than "I get off on controlling what people read" though. It should be taken to the next logical step.
Maybe do something a little more "Manchurian Candidate"-esque one day.
I agree. The more compelling the villain the easier it is to buy the villains plan. I think its good to keep it simple but interesting though. Was watching QOS and while Quantum and Greenes goals make sense there are so many twists and turns that its hard to follow sometimes.
FYEO definitely needed that grounding. with Moonraker it good a little to big. The Spy Who Loved Me found the perfect balance but Moonraker went to over the top in many areas. It does have a couple of the best one liners in the series.
There's a good question. Which villains do you think had the best and most memorable demises?
Some of my favorites:
- Red Grant being strangled by Bond
- Oddjob's electrocution
- Goldfinger being sucked out of the de-pressurized plane
- Vargas getting impaled with the spear gun
- Tee Hee getting tossed out the train window
- Xenia Onatopp getting slammed against that tree by the crashing helicopter Bond hooks her onto
Dumbest death has to be Kananga getting inflated by that gas pellet.
I'd even add Moonraker as a huge disappointment after The Spy Who Loved Me
The biggest disappointment is and will always be Diamonds are Forever after On Her Majety's Secret Service.
Agreed on that, I think Pryce knew it was a lost cause as he played the role of Carver like he was in pantomime.
There's a good question. Which villains do you think had the best and most memorable demises?
Some of my favorites:
- Red Grant being strangled by Bond
- Oddjob's electrocution
- Goldfinger being sucked out of the de-pressurized plane
- Vargas getting impaled with the spear gun
- Tee Hee getting tossed out the train window
- Xenia Onatopp getting slammed against that tree by the crashing helicopter Bond hooks her onto
Dumbest death has to be Kananga getting inflated by that gas pellet.
DAF was Brocolli and Saltzman trying to freshen things up and keep the series relevant by changing with the times...and just totally f***ing it up. Theres parts of that movie I like but I'll go as far to say that I think its Connerys weakest.
Moonraker = cash in time. Like I said Bond used to set the trends but Moonraker was following a trend. A nd look at what they did to poor Jaws. Yeah I laughed at some of it but he was a way cooler bad guy in TSWLM.
I wonder why he was resistant to making more Bond movies int he first place, they have been his most successful films.
You're missing Stromberg getting shot in the balls by Bond.
I wonder why he was resistant to making more Bond movies int he first place, they have been his most successful films.
I agree, Thunderball was essentially espionage on a grand scale and well executed.
A media mogul looking to manipulate a presidential campaign and put a man in The White House could work.
When you look at it Moore's run veered between the two extremes at points, and with TSHLM they did hit the balance. I think it's interesting that while Moore was the least gritty of the Bond's, he had the movie with the most realistic espionage plot.
Dropping Blofeld down a chimney was pretty inventive as well.
It's a shame about DAF because if Lazenby stayed, they would have done a gritty follow-up to that.
And EON would do that several times with the Bond series. Octopussy I felt was a trend to cash-in on the success of the Indiana Jones movies. DAD was an attempt to cash-in on the CGI craziness of the beginning of the 2000s, and QoS was an attempt to cash-in on the Bourne movies.
EON needs to set trends, not fall victim to it.
I'd even add Moonraker as a huge disappointment after The Spy Who Loved Me
The biggest disappointment is and will always be Diamonds are Forever after On Her Majety's Secret Service.
I would say anyone who did More than one bond, besides connery, had a disappointing follow up after their first movie.
And I would say that the bond movies havent really set any trends since....thunderball. The 60's were the most relevant Bond was to pop culture. Now he's just an institution thats always around, barring a few breaks here and there.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I preffer Licence to Kill (the follow up) to The Living Daylights (debut film), I like both Dalton movies thou.
LTK was tailor made for his version of Bond.Dalton was great in TLD. He deserved so much better than LTK.