Deadpool 2 Tim Miller exits Deadpool 2

[Stark Bauer]

^ I'm guessing it looks just as good as DP 1 lol...meaning Miller saved them $50 million dollars

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If directors don't matter as much as actors then what would make a bigger difference?

Ben Affleck replacing Bale in The Dark Knight Trilogy or Snyder replacing Nolan?

 

[Sithborg]

Uh...this one time director made his directorial debut with a big tentpole which exceeded expectations.

This was a $60 million movie released in Feb. This is in no way was a tentpole for Fox. It is NOW, yes. And with the year Fox has had, I can totally understand them being a bit hesitant about endorsing straying from what they saw as the winning formula. Yes, Fox will want to play it safe. And again, look at the year they had. It is a totally understandable position.

Could his vision been great, sure. But he doesn't have the track record to be 100% confident.

 

[NotNickFury]

So, for levity's sake, has anyone heard someone go as far as say something akin to 'Well, time to give up and hand the rights over to Marvel' yet? I wager it's been said at least once by now.

 

[Mike Murdock]

(looks at recent history of letting a one time director experiment with a big tentpole)

Gee, I wonder why Fox and Reynolds may be a bit hesitant to let Miller experiment in his SECOND movie.

Is this based on a sample size of one?

Deadpool had elements of stylization. The opening credits is an example of that. Hell, the whole fight on the bridge is that. So it's not Miller trying something new, it's placing greater emphasis on something toned down in the first film. Don't get me wrong, the comedy is significantly the writers, Reynolds, and TJ Miller (not Tim Miller) and that was absolutely a huge part of the success, but the pacing of the story and the feel of the action is the director.

And let's not forget that Miller is a HUGE comic book buff, so he knows Deadpool and his world as much as (if not better) than Ryan Reynolds and the writers.

Honestly, that was my bigger concern. A funny movie that might feel a bit more flat is fine for Deadpool 2. It's why I'm not mad by this news, just disappointed. To me, the Colossus we got was Colossus distilled to his nature and, based on interviews, that was pure Tim Miller.

I'd love to see Cable the same way. Cable's not a good "raunchy funny" kind of character (in fact, I don't consider Cable to be funny at all). What he is is an 80s action hero. He is Arnold in Commando. The humor comes from the absurdity of the action. I think Reynolds knows what kind of movie he'd like and will push the movie in that direction, but I'm not sure if he knows what kind of movie Cable would fit in. I feel we could be losing some authenticity after what was the most authentic Fox comic book movie to date.

 

[-JKR-]

You know what would be awesome?

If this was some kind of elaborate prank on the filmmakers' behalf, with a viral video officially announcing 'Deadpool 2,' the casting and confirming Tim Miller at the helm coming out. In the vein of the rating April fool's video.

But considering that it was first reported by Deadline, and that Collider's Steven Weintraub wrote that he had known about the behind the scenes drama between Tim Miller and Ryan Reynolds for some time now, it's just wishful thinking.

I feel we could be losing some authenticity after what was the most authentic Fox comic book movie to date.

^ This! Exactly this!

To me it sounds like Tim Miller wanted to make with Deadpool 2 what Aliens is to Alien, and instead Ryan Reynolds pushed for a 'more of the same' approach. Which to me seems like 'the perfect recipe' for a Ghostbusters 2 or The Hangover Part 2-like situation. Which ain't good.

The people who easily dismiss Tim Miller should really take 20 minutes of their time and watch this 20 minute interview from earlier this year with him:

 

[dark_b]

This one.

''Miller, who owns a visual effects studio and we’re told did much of the polishing work on the original “Deadpool” for free, wanted more of a stylized sequel, while the actor placed his focus more on the raunchy comedy style that earned the first movie its R rating.''
http://www.thewrap.com/deadpool-director-tim-miller-exit-ryan-reynolds-creative-differences/


i belive that. now all the artist who worked for free on some shots get an award. no work for the sequel.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well, if one had to go, it had to be Miller, and for all we know, it's possible that he would have not replicated the magic of the first one. I'm open minded about this.

 

[-JKR-]

Well, if one had to go, it had to be Miller, and for all we know, it's possible that he would have not replicated the magic of the first one. I'm open minded about this.

Of course some 'yes man' bimbo will replicate the magic of the first one.

 

[-JKR-]

By the way, someone on Reddit made this brilliant post, which puts it best as to how a director influences a movie's outcome. Couldn't have said it better:

As someone who has worked in "the industry" I gotta tell you I think you're underestimating the Director's role here. The Director is involved in every single step of the process giving guidance and, well, direction. Editing, acting, interpretation of the writing, cinematography. EVERYTHING is on the shoulders of the Director. Obviously everyone else has input, and those working under them are the ones actually performing those roles, but as the man once said: The Buck stops with me. It's all on the Director to make sure every job is done correctly to create the best version of their vision of the film.
So, as a matter of fact, even if the entire team was the same, with the same script, a different director would create a TOTALLY different film. And I'm honestly scared that the next DP film will have a major drop in quality because of this.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Of course some 'yes man' bimbo will replicate the magic of the first one.

No one will replicate the magic of the first one, maybe not even Tim Miller. You have to deal with that.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

No one will replicate the magic of the first one, maybe not even Tim Miller. You have to deal with that.

If Sam Raimi and Nolan did better their second outing then it's possible comic book fanboy Tim Miller could've also.

 

[I Am The Knight]

If Sam Raimi and Nolan did better their second outing then it's possible comic book fanboy Tim Miller could've also.

Sure, and I would've preferred that Miller stayed to direct. But it's a little early to compare him to Sam Raimi or Chris Nolan.

 

[JtheDreamer]

I think Tim Miller's directing was a huge contributor to the feel of the movie and made it the success it was. That being said, it's a no-brainer that you keep Reynolds and not the director. Reynolds is the one who is on screen.

Disappointing all around, though.

Ummmmmm I highly doubt there was EVER a discussion about letting go Ryan Reynolds. I'm sure the question in that room was whether or not the differences could be mended and if not the only option is to remove the director.

Either way this is still a huge issue given how instrumental Miller and his BLUR team was to the original. We've seen time and time again you can have top flight actors, but if the director's vision isn't in sync - then it translates poorly on screen.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sure, and I would've preferred that Miller stayed to direct. But it's a little early to compare him to Sam Raimi or Chris Nolan.

My point was that Raimi and Nolan's first superhero movie was a success then their sequel was even better.

And Tim Miller is one great superhero movie away from being in the Nolan and Raimi great CBM director category.

 

[JtheDreamer]

22 october

Spoiler

Now that I think about it - this tweet is aimed at people who are not happy with Miller departing i.e. "jumping off a bridge."

I think it's fair to say Reynold's ego was replenished with the success the first film surprised into.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

So, for levity's sake, has anyone heard someone go as far as say something akin to 'Well, time to give up and hand the rights over to Marvel' yet? I wager it's been said at least once by now.

Yeah. By you.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Kyle Chandler is an awful choice for Cable but Tim Miller is not a fluke.

He's the real deal.

I love that clip. I'm hoping one day I can see an ensemble fight in a CBM executed/orchestrated as well as that. Some will immediately respond with CA:CW, which was fun - but very plodding and more like a play-fight.

 

[2kt09]

This was a $60 million movie released in Feb. This is in no way was a tentpole for Fox. It is NOW, yes. And with the year Fox has had, I can totally understand them being a bit hesitant about endorsing straying from what they saw as the winning formula. Yes, Fox will want to play it safe. And again, look at the year they had. It is a totally understandable position.

Could his vision been great, sure. But he doesn't have the track record to be 100% confident.

That is not at all what the marketing was leading people on. Early February was the perfect time to drop a tentpole: Deadpool AND Kingsman, the year before, are testaments to that.

The year FOX has had is fine all properties considered.
Tim Miller is of an insanely rare few that comes out the gate with a box office smash let alone an R-rated tentpole. Usually they force directors with some theatrical indie experience to attempt that.

 

[Sithborg]

My point was that Raimi and Nolan's first superhero movie was a success then their sequel was even better.

And Tim Miller is one great superhero movie away from being in the Nolan and Raimi great CBM director category.

Raimi and Nolan were also veteran filmmakers. Not enough info yet to see if Miller is great or just got lucky. Granted, he should be given the chance, but again, I can see how the suits want to play it safe.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hope that Fox would drop Bryan Singer as the X-Men director but I'm sure I won't get that lucky. Tim Miller and Matthew Vaughn are gone but at least I have Bland, Bland Bryan Singer. Well here's hoping that James Mangold gives us a good movie and isn't forced to ruin it with a terrible third Act.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Raimi and Nolan were also veteran filmmakers. Not enough info yet to see if Miller is great or just got lucky. Granted, he should be given the chance, but again, I can see how the suits want to play it safe.

Nolan was a veteran filmmaker when he made BB?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Well...Miller leaving is certainly discouraging news.

 

[TheVileOne]

Nolan was a veteran filmmaker when he made BB?

Yes. He had already directed Memento and Insomnia at that point.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I hope that Fox would drop Bryan Singer as the X-Men director but I'm sure I won't get that lucky. Tim Miller and Matthew Vaughn are gone but at least I have Bland, Bland Bryan Singer. Well here's hoping that James Mangold gives us a good movie and isn't forced to ruin it with a terrible third Act.

You do know even another X-Men film is up in the air as once Logan drops everything is pointing fox focusing on this film,new Mutants,and X-force.
untill I hear more than Kinberg's vague comments another X-Men film is like
Gambit right now.And Singer's involvement with franchise apart from being credited as executive on legion and the other tv show is questable at best.

Mangold deserves a fair amount of blame if you don't like third act of the wolverine.He maintained he was able to make film he wanted to.a lot of changes were made to script after he came on.and he quickly signed on to do Logan after the wolverine was released.