Season 8 Theories and Speculation

I think Jamie's story is gonna end with him having to take the black, giving up his lands and titles, and being tasked with rebuilding the Night's Watch....after he kills Cersei.
A lot of people have this theory. But others are pointing out there should be no need for a wall or nights watch. But will the WW be COMPLETELY defeated? Or a new threat emerges justifying the NW to stay around?
 
No it wasn't =/

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I think Jamie's story is gonna end with him having to take the black, giving up his lands and titles, and being tasked with rebuilding the Night's Watch....after he kills Cersei.
Something about the preview of the next episode makes me think Jaime will commit to doing something like the above if they allow him to fight alongside them against the WW.......only to die. Oathbreaker to the end.
 
I think Jamie's story is gonna end with him having to take the black, giving up his lands and titles, and being tasked with rebuilding the Night's Watch....after he kills Cersei.
Eh, I highly doubt that. Main reason, the Night's Watch has ultimately failed. The outcome is going to be either the Knight King wins, or dies, so there will be no reason for the Night's Watch anymore. And it's no coincidence that Sam is the only male heir left of the Tully kingdom, so I am expecting after everything is done, he will be the ruler of his castle along with Gilly, which means the oaths the Knight's Watch have taken will be pardoned.
 
Well Young Griff probably really isn't Rhaegar's son (not that Young Griff knows that).

Now this is all speculation, but I believe this video is on the money if you're interested. It also reveals a more intricate plan for Varys if it is right, and one that seems more likely considering Varys tried to kill Daenerys after selling her off to Drogo in the first book/season, which they swept under the rug in season 7 to keep the generally more positive vision of Varys (which to be fair is how I interpreted him in the third book.)



In this video, "Alt Shift X" asked why Varys didn't support Rhaegar Targaryen, but isn't that answer obvious? Varys must have had intel on Rhaegar's clandestine activities, and Rhaegar was ruled by his passions; he ditched Elia Martell for Lyanna Stark and so at a stroke up-ended the alliance with Dorne and caused a rebellion by stealing another lord's fiancée --that's not exactly good for the peace and stability of the realm that Varys claims to support!

I believe that Gendry may be a key strand in the Spider's web, and Plan B to the Targaryen restoration under Daenerys. It is very likely that Varys is the one who got the boy apprenticed to the blacksmith, Tobho Mott, as Varys certainly arranged Gendry's escape from King's Landing just before the purge of Robert's bastards. Gendry has lived as a commoner all his life and thus, if he were to rule, he would be sympathetic to the plight of the people --which is what Varys values.

If Jon and Dany are eliminated, then I see Gendry becoming king.
 
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Wow tonights episode has some surprises. They need to fix these "leaks" though. Having episodes pop up early on these streaming services and then being pirated before the show airs is gonna hurt their ratings. And a lot of viewers will be spoiled by trolls.
 
Leaks have never hurt viewer numbers before. The show breaks records every season.
 
I haven't seen it yet, will stream in a little bit.

I just watched the "The Lord of Light" segment in the Histories & Lore extras for the third season, and it is narrated by Paul Kaye as Thoros of Myr. This part of it stood out to me:

"Man once again faces the war for the dawn, which has been waged since time began. On one side is the Lord of Light - the Heart of Fire, the God of Flame and Shadow. Against him stands the Great Other, whose name may not be spoken - the Lord of Darkness, the Soul of Ice, the God of Night and Terror. According to prophecy, our champion will be reborn to wake dragons from stone and reforge the great sword Lightbringer that defeated the darkness those thousands of years ago. If the old tales are true, a terrible weapon forged with the lifeblood of a loving wife's heart. Part of me thinks man was well rid of it, but great power requires great sacrifice. That much, at least, the Lord of Light is clear on."

This is derived from the books wherein Melisandre stated: "When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. The bleeding star has come and gone, and Dragonstone is the place of smoke and salt."

The bit about waking dragons from stone must pertain to Daenerys as her dragon eggs were petrified, but it hasn't been mentioned in the show, nor the name "Azor Ahai", only:

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And: "After the long summer, darkness will fall heavy on the world. The stars will bleed. The cold breath of winter will freeze the seas and the dead shall rise in the North. In the ancient books, it's written that a warrior will draw a burning sword from the fire. And that sword shall be Lightbringer."
[s02e01 "The North Remembers"]

Stannis Baratheon then enacted a ritual to ostensibly "fulfill" the Lightbringer portion of the prophecy:

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Mel was obviously mistaken about Stannis, and now believes that Jon Snow is the Prince Who Was Promised because the Lord of Light granted his resurrection. Two of his staredowns with the Night King -who may sense his deeper identity- have also made me believe that Jon might be The One.

The red comet as the prophesied "bleeding star" was seen at the beginning of season 2 right after the birth of the dragons. Daenerys was, in a sense, born again out of Drogo's funeral pyre from its "smoke" and the "salt" (of her sweat?), or alternatively, this part pertains to her actual birthplace of Dragonstone which has salt from the sea and smoke from an active volcano there, the Dragonmont. The show has really pointed to Daenerys being the One foretold, as with this scene in Mereen:

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KINVARA (High Priestess of R'hllor from Volantis): "Daenerys Stormborn is the one who was promised. From the fire she was reborn to remake the world. Her dragons are fire made flesh, a gift from the Lord of Light. Daenerys has been sent to lead the people against the darkness in this war and in the great war still to come." [s06e05 "The Door"]

And on Dragonstone:

MELISANDRE: "The prince who was promised will bring the dawn."
DAENERYS: "I'm afraid I'm not a prince."
MISSANDEI: "Your Grace, forgive me, but your translation is not quite accurate. That noun has no gender in High Valyrian, so the proper translation for that prophecy would be, 'The prince or princess who was promised will bring the dawn'."
MELISANDRE: "I believe you have a role to play. As does another the King in the North, Jon Snow."
[s07e02 "Stormborn"]

An important and intentional qualification is made here (which parallels same by Aemon Targaryen in the books) which allows Danaerys to fit the prophecy. And when Jon Snow arrived:

MELISANDRE: (to Varys): "I've done my part. I've brought ice and fire together." s07e03 "The Queen's Justice"

She then told Varys that she is leaving for Volantis but will return --which is in line with her prophecy given to Arya back in Season 3 that they would meet again.

Melisandre will share her knowledge about Jon Snow and his resurrection with Kinvara in Volantis who is perhaps more accurately attuned to the Lord of Light than she is (considering how incredibly wrong Mel was about Stannis, and how insightfully correct Kinvara was about the details of Varys' past). And because The Great War from their religious beliefs is now upon the world, they will return to Westeros with a small army of red warrior priests bearing flaming weapons, a blessing from the Lord of Light (in the show anyway):

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They may also inform Jon and Daenerys of what is required to defeat the Night King. And/or this knowledge will be conveyed via the old books that Sam stole from the Citadel or by Bran/3ER who can actually visit the remote past to show us Azor Ahai and how he defeated the Darkness.

As Thoros related above, to make Lightbringer, the "Red Sword of Heroes", Azor Ahai sacrificed his beloved wife, Nissa Nissa, by stabbing her through the heart so that her spirit could enter the sword and make it potent. This weapon must be the bane of the Night King...though why it didn't destroy him for good when Darkness was defeated last time is a mystery.
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The reincarnated prince is said to have "a song", the song of ice and fire. Jon and Daenerys BOTH seem to have roles for fulfilling the prophecy, the two may be the reincarnations of both Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa, and if this is supposed to replay as it did in the ancient past, then one will have to sacrifice the other in order to create Lightbringer. Jon is the sword-wielding warrior of the two, but maybe this will be flipped around in a new way?
 
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Interesting. :) Thanks for posting that.
 
I was one of those who broke and saw the leaked version earlier, but now that it's aired, I can talk about it.

The highlights for me were

The Sansa / Dani scene in the library. Great performance by Emilia Clarke, and I actually got teary eyed when Sansa broke a little ice and they could relate. I didn't know that I'd care, but it was a real treat to see these two come to terms.

The Knighting of Lady Brianne was absolutely heart warningly awesome. Perhaps one of the most genuine smile moments in the whole series. So so great.

The Lady Sansa/Theon reunion was also really great, primarily because the actors. They really did their jobs in this episode.

The Little girl with the face mark was an awesome scene too. Hard to know where to rank it, but it was a surprisingly cool callback to Princess Shireen.
 
Also, of course:

Arya got laid. Off-screen mostly, but needless to say, "this girl" is no longer a girl. Also, if Gendry survives this season, his memoir might as well be called "The Stark Who Shagged Me".

I'm terrible, I know.
 
I feel like Sam may try to kill Jorah to get back at Dany for killing his family. The way he spoke his final words to Jorah was very interesting. I hope not but I won’t be surprised.
 
I feel like Sam may try to kill Jorah to get back at Dany for killing his family. The way he spoke his final words to Jorah was very interesting. I hope not but I won’t be surprised.

I do feel like that "I hope we win" remark he said felt strange. Like... why say that there? Was it necessary? I don't know. Could just be clumsy dialogue I guess.
 
Also not a single scene with Cersei this week. Hmmmmm.......
 
I really really really really hope....

The Night King isn't stupid enough to fall into a trap and be speared by Arya's weapon right as he's about to strike Bran down.
 
I do feel like that "I hope we win" remark he said felt strange. Like... why say that there? Was it necessary? I don't know. Could just be clumsy dialogue I guess.

That and the line he says before that has me thinking...
 
One crazy thing about this latest episode. Not a single King's Landing scene. Not a single citing of Cersei. And next episode is gonna be the big Winterfell battle, so I'd doubt we'd see her much then either. Hmm....
 
I feel like Sam may try to kill Jorah to get back at Dany for killing his family. The way he spoke his final words to Jorah was very interesting. I hope not but I won’t be surprised.
What? No way. Sam is not a vengeful person like that. That is one of the characteristics that his father despised in him.
 
One crazy thing about this latest episode. Not a single King's Landing scene. Not a single citing of Cersei. And next episode is gonna be the big Winterfell battle, so I'd doubt we'd see her much then either. Hmm....
Fine by me. I'm getting bored with Cersei, Euron and all of their scheming.
 
I really really really really hope....

The Night King isn't stupid enough to fall into a trap and be speared by Arya's weapon right as he's about to strike Bran down.
I wouldn't be surprised, I wanted more from him in terms of damage but it looks like he was never a huge threat to all of the realms. At least in the TV show. To be honest I feel like the WW was just a means to an end plot wise. At least so far.
 
No Cersei in this episode sounds wonderful. I fast forwarded through her scenes last week. Quicker and less obnoxious to just read about her scenes.

Aye it was glorious. That didn't even register with me until towards the end when I started to think about the next episode. I did not miss her one bit. The only thing that left me fearful was that it increased my belief that the NK is probably going to be dealt with in the next two episodes, leaving the last two episodes for the Cersei show.
 
Well Young Griff probably really isn't Rhaegar's son (not that Young Griff knows that).

Now this is all speculation, but I believe this video is on the money if you're interested. It also reveals a more intricate plan for Varys if it is right, and one that seems more likely considering Varys tried to kill Daenerys after selling her off to Drogo in the first book/season, which they swept under the rug in season 7 to keep the generally more positive vision of Varys (which to be fair is how I interpreted him in the third book.)



If only these books would continue.
 
Aye it was glorious. That didn't even register with me until towards the end when I started to think about the next episode. I did not miss her one bit. The only thing that left me fearful was that it increased my belief that the NK is probably going to be dealt with in the next two episodes, leaving the last two episodes for the Cersei show.

The big final battle episode at
King's Landing is Episode 5. Afaik, the dead besiege the city. Cersei will most likely die at some point during the battle. Unless shes executed in Episode 6.
 

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