Clark developed powers early on - Superboy.
And he hid those powers early on. From an early age, Clark learned that he couldn't reveal his true self to his friends.
Clark needs the disguise to protect loved ones as guess what - bad people.
And why does Clark need loved ones? He's an alien... not of this world. There's a double bind here. Clark doesn't need to be Superman... he could protect his family better if he didn't get involved and just acted like every human. However, Clark can't act like every human, because he is compelled to help others. Thus, he wears the costume, so he can have it both ways... so he can protect strangers, as well as his family members. This demonstrates the internal conflict.
Clark being picked on for being a nerd - big whooped do - who hasn't? Who hasn't been picked on for being super smart, talented... jealousy is out there and people can relate.
You said that Clark is accepted by Smallville. And I said, not really... he's not a sports star or a popular kid... he's a science geek that gets picked on. How is that accepting him for who he really is? Superman. ? It's just accepting the clumsy Clark disguise. Jealousy? Jealousy of what? Clark doesn't get the girl. Clark can't participate in sports.
Clark in the office being that way is again to hide the fact he is Kal El, to protect others around him.
Again, you could easily make the argument that he's actually putting them at risk. He doesn't need to pretend to be human at all. He doesn't need to be a reporter. He chooses to be, despite the risks... because acting human is important to him.
Clark in the office is never meant to be a true reflection of Kal El. Superman isn't even. true reflection of Kal El.
That's my point.... Walking around with a secret is a heavy burden, even for Superman. Why would we not want t mine this dramatic material?
Clark in smallville, is Kal El.
Again, not really... Clark can't go out and fly to the basket when he dunks it. Clark is restrained in Smallville, just like he's been taught his entire life.
He was raised a good way, period, they coulda have done the same parenting job in the city, but there is something romanticized about the American farm.. Also, it's two contrasting elements... farm and city. Fish out of water.
Basically, what you're saying here is that there's nothing special about Superman. Any other Kryptonian who was raised by two loving adults would be just the same. If all it took was for folks to be raised well in order for them to be selfless, then we'd have a better world indeed. Also, such a motivation is boring and one dimensional. Hey, why is Jon the best fireman who always runs into the fires even at great personal risk? Well... gee... his mom and dad did a good job.
I'd suggest to you that Jon the fireman and Superman have a greater motivation than that. Motivation can be complex, and unknown to people. Maybe why Jon really runs into the fires first, is because he was small as a child, and he feels like he has something to prove. All kinds of possibilities. But just saying, "well he's naturally good" is lacking for the greatest superhero of all time.
You find the Jesus link lazy but don't mind Moses? And being a good guy naturally people an't connect to a good guy? Ok, well, that's weird.
I don't find the Jesus link lazy. You're confusing me with another poster I think. I actually rather link the Jesus link. I think it's stuff like that which can help give Superman complexity, and I think that's what Snyder was trying to do. I ultimately think it wasn't a great result, but I applaud his effort to make Superman interesting.
One could argue that being an orphan makes him appreciate love and family even more... he is not theirs yet they treat him like theirs, again, great upbringing. They didn't carry him in their womb, but but carry him in their heart.
I know! This is what I'm saying! Many orphans are eagle scouts. They feel an obligation to do good for their foster parents. In this case, Superman's foster parents is the Earth. There's nothing wrong with leaning into that psychology for Clark. That gives him complexity and makes his motivations more unique and interesting.
You reject the idea that police or fireman wake up and say 'I am gunna go do good today!' that's the whole point of their job... to do good.
Yeah, the question I'm asking is "why?" They could have been fisherman, or masons, or city officials... but they chose to put themselves in harms way, in a job that is critical, but often thankless. Why? Saying, "oh just because they are good people" isn't a good explanation. Aren't the fisherman good people too? Was the Mason not raised by loving parents?
I'm starting to see a pattern that maybe you have a hard time seeing good in people.
And finally, you don't want to see a good man do good things?
You just don't get it...
No need to get personal. I'm saying that Superman is often portrayed with simple, uninteresting motivations. Do I believe there are good people? Sure. Do I believe that people risk their lives, and the lives of their family, and secretly hide the fact that they do so for years... because they were raised with good values? Uhhh... not really. That seems pretty convenient and one dimensional to me. The sad thing is that Superman has a really interesting story that would absolutely lend itself to him saving people for unique, individual, and interesting reasons... but fans would prefer that we don't actually look into Superman's psychology, so....ho hum... he was raised by good parents.
The challenge Clark has as Superman is to speak and fight on behalf of those who cannot. He stops the petty crime, he talks a suicidal teen off the building, he stops a bank robber, he rushes into a burning building when no one else can and get's people out safe... you wouldn't see the joy in those victories?
Why? Who gave him this fight? Why did he choose this fight? Sure I see the joy. But in a live action adaptation, audiences are going to naturally wonder why Superman does these things. When it's a cartoon, it's easier to not care.
As Clark, the reporter... he is uncovering truth and justice, again, dealing with corruption, drama... of every day life... that's not interesting to you? Whilst Clark knows governments are after him therefor he has to keep a low profile in the office... knowing full well as superman, Lois worships him.
Or maybe how on the farm... where he grew up and is his home and community... where he can be himself, he has to make sure nothing comes of them, from his exploits as the man of steel.
The motivations are what interest me. Of course uncovering crime interests me. I love documentaries and great news pieces. But it's not the act itself that interests me. Again, no one is forcing Clark to choose to live a double life. He's the one choosing into that. He could easily be Superman and not be at the Planet.
And also, don't forget, a comic, a cartoon, a movie... it's entertainment.
Hey... if you want a thrill ride which doesn't investigate Superman as a character, then I'm sure you have lots of options. Snyder, to his credit, was trying to go deeper. And I don't criticize Snyder for doing that. I applaud it. I think the most likely cause for the problems is that this conversation... which we are having right here.... is probably a reflection of the conversation between Snyder and studio Execs. Snyder wanted to actually delve into the Superman character. WB wanted massive explosions and super powers.
What I'm saying, is we can have both. Giving Clark workable, compelling motivations would help his popularity, not hurt it, IMO>
I feel you are looking at one interpretation of superman and assuming that's the definitive take on the character.
It's a discussion forum. I'm lending my support to Snyder's creative vision, and proposing how I'd like to see the character portrayed in the future. My statement are my opinions only, in a sea of fans who have their own... equally valid... opinions.