Wonder Woman 1984 SPOILER Review Thread

[Mysteryman]

I really loved this.

Nothing about it puts it in the top echelon of comicbook movies, but I loved how unapologetically Wonder Woman it was.

Invisible Jet
Duke of Deception
Flying
Refoming the villain instead beating into submission

This definitely was a throwback to the Raimi style of comic book movies that aren't made anymore.

The rock as a plot device I didn't mind cause I bought into the underlying affect it had on the people who used it.

I was SO HAPPY that they linked this story to my favorite WW Villain, the Duke of Deception. And, they did it in just the right way.

 

[Mysteryman]

Can someone explain what was happening to Max with his health deteriorating? Was that the valuable thing the Dreamstone was taking from him?

It was taking his health from him.

 

[Mysteryman]

This all should've been the work of a God just having fun or trying to gain enough mischief to regain coporeal form.[/QUOTE]
Sounds Like the plot for a Harry Potter film, not Wonder Woman.

 

[Another_Fool]

I was SO HAPPY that they linked this story to my favorite WW Villain, the Duke of Deception. And, they did it in just the right way.

Yeah I don't know much of the Duke of Deception but I Wiki'd him real quick once Diana mentioned him and it really helped me to accept the premise of the film.

 

[harlequinade]

I want more Antiope. It's a shame that we cant get more time with her. Give her a prequel limited series.

Robin Wright may be the most badass female warrior in all CBM for me just thanks to that smirk she has when she rides into battle on Themyscira in the first one. Amazing. I wish we got a whole movie about her and Hippolyta and Amazons history

 

[xenos5]

Ugh... the more this movie marinates in my mind the more I dislike it...

Like did they HAVE to bring Trevor back? Diana being all sad and depressed because he was her "only joy in the world" is INSULTING to the character. We're really supposed to believe she's made no meaningful connections in all the time since WW1 and she needs Trevor to be happy...

 

[harlequinade]

There's a difference between meaningful connections and love...just look at Rose in Titanic

 

[Moncton]

Looking back, I think the crucial mistake is letting Max be in any way connected with the stone. Perhaps having Diana be the only one who uses the stone (after going back to Themysicra and discovering it there and being warned about it but still can't resist bringing Steve back) , Barbara becoming Cheetah some other way, and Max having a position where he tries to ignite tensions between Russia and the US ( and later regretting as it escalates into a potential nuke war) would have allowed for a less convoluted script and a bit more grounded film and allow to touch upon more political aspects of the time.

 

[COCOS]

the script was a overall mess, from the reason they brought Back Steve,to How Barbara Turn Into Cheetah ,
lack of Huge actions & not so great Score By Hanz Zimmer.,

i dont know how they failed this hard, there's a Huge Script Issue for DC Movies In general,the letdown compared the first one is too important,inconceivable.

i still think jenkins is a brillant filmmaker and dont mind her for the Next One but no more creative control and a way better team around Her, like no more Geoff Johns...this guy is responsible for so many failures

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

The choice to present Wonder Woman like Spidey from Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends in combat and action was also... Suboptimal in my view.

 

[SupermanFan]

The more I sit and think about this film the more it drops down for me. Gonna rewatch it over the next few days and see if it gets any better for me.

 

[SupermanFan]

the script was a overall mess, from the reason they brought Back Steve,to How Barbara Turn Into Cheetah ,
lack of Huge actions & not so great Score By Hanz Zimmer.,

i dont know how they failed this hard, there's a Huge Script Issue for DC Movies In general,the letdown compared the first one is too important,inconceivable.

i still think jenkins is a brillant filmmaker and dont mind her for the Next One but no more creative control and a way better team around Her, like no more Geoff Johns...this guy is responsible for so many failures

Glad to know I’m not the only one who wasn’t keen on the score. A lot of it really didn’t fit the scenes imo. Beautiful Lie worked wonderfully though.

I think Jenkins needs to work on action scenes, her action scenes just aren’t exciting enough. It’s one big reason I don’t want her on Superman.

 

[TheDreamMaster]

I could do a rant, and say there was this or that wrong...but honestly I was mostly just bored. 5/10.

 

[Kev4000]

Looking back, I think the crucial mistake is letting Max be in any way connected with the stone. Perhaps having Diana be the only one who uses the stone (after going back to Themysicra and discovering it there and being warned about it but still can't resist bringing Steve back) , Barbara becoming Cheetah some other way, and Max having a position where he tries to ignite tensions between Russia and the US ( and later regretting as it escalates into a potential nuke war) would have allowed for a less convoluted script and a bit more grounded film and allow to touch upon more political aspects of the time.

How about that would be a side effect of that wish? He gives her Steve back but take away/changes her "best friend" instead to a villain.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This all should've been the work of a God just having fun or trying to gain enough mischief to regain coporeal form.

Sounds Like the plot for a Harry Potter film, not Wonder Woman.[/QUOTE]
Really?

Rowling did not in any way create the "mystical being/character is attempting to manifest itself in the mundane world for selfish or nefarious reasons" trope, and there are plenty of stories in the WW history that is just that in some way and predate Potter by a long shot, as MANY pop culture creations before Rowling was on the scene.

Lord Of The Rings... uh... um... ring any bells?



But that just allows me to make clear once more... A big issue with this Wonder Woman is the removal of the "gods" of ancient Greek mythology as well as cutting her off from Paradise Isle and supporting characters like her mother.


My 60's Feminist mom who is open to comic book stuff but is nowhere near a rabid fan like I am of super heroes ADORED the first WW and the parts she felt the strongest about was the stuff on the island. This decison to cut out the rest of the Amazons was a huge misstep.

This is Aquaman without Atlantis, Thor without Asgard, Black Panther without Wakanda... It's excising a ton of characters and story potential.

 

[Moncton]

How about that would be a side effect of that wish? He gives her Steve back but take away/changes her "best friend" instead to a villain.

That is actually really good and compelling.

 

[COCOS]

Glad to know I’m not the only one who wasn’t keen on the score. A lot of it really didn’t fit the scenes imo. Beautiful Lie worked wonderfully though.

I think Jenkins needs to work on action scenes, her action scenes just aren’t exciting enough. It’s one big reason I don’t want her on Superman.

the Zimmer Score Didnt Hit as much as the One he Did in Man Of Steel or BVS, but its not entirely His fault.....there's No vibrant scene in this film to make The Soundtrack Pop except For "Beautiful Lie"
this movie lack a grandiose feel to It, something the The first One had With that No man's land sequence.

this movie look so filler, its like watching thoses terrible MCU films like ant man & Spider Man Ones, i dont know what just happened.

 

[SupermanFan]

How about that would be a side effect of that wish? He gives her Steve back but take away/changes her "best friend" instead to a villain.

I like that, would have been better for sure

 

[Moncton]

Something else picking up steam on social media is that some are complaining about anti-Muslim/anti-Arab scenes in the film: the Egyptian guy who claims the land is his people's as a not so subtle reference to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and apparently Steve Trevor throwing something out of the car that had Islamic writing on it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Something else picking up steam on social media is that some are complaining about anti-Muslim/anti-Arab scenes in the film: the Egyptian guy who claims the land is his people's as a not so subtle reference to the Israeli-Palestinian issue and apparently Steve Trevor throwing something out of the car that had Islamic writing on it.

Feels like a reach, especially with Diana swooping in and saving two children that were obviously Muslim in the same sequence.

 

[Moncton]

Feels like a reach, especially with Diana swooping in and saving two children that were obviously Muslim in the same sequence.

I think some are interpreting that as a reference to Israelis saving Arab kids from their Arab leaders/groups.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That is fine...explain that. Patty doesnt though. It is implied a bit but we are moving through the early part of the story so fast no one seems to matter except Barbara with a bit of Max Lord. Diana kind of pops in and out and...yeah.

Here I can even write a cruddy scene that would accomplish all of that without needing to change anything about the story and it even matches up with the first film. Barbara comes to see Diana in her office. Diana is lost in thought about something. Barbara sees a picture of Diana at the Trevor Ranch. Barbara in her quirky awkward way asks about it. Diana talks about how she loved a man once but he died and she has never been able to really get past it. Barbara asks her to lunch again and Diana obliges and they go into the talk about how Diana doesn't socialize and Barbara hints at it being about her lost love and it is then shown to all of us that while Diana is out saving the world and living a life that is good she is still dealing with the scars of the things she saw in the war. For someone who never saw the world before what she experienced in WW1 would give her some serious PTSD.

Patty went Snyder on the bit...put in the stuff we wanted to see but didn't have the story fill in the gaps. If you aren't going to have a ton of action then at least have dialogue that moves the story along. Don't just jump from one thing to another. I still can't figure out why Barbara attacked Diana and protected Max. She already had power and Diana had never done anything bad to her. So Barbara just got corrupted by her wish and her confidence? Jesus that is lame. And lame can be fine but FFS explain it! It doesn't need to be Shakespeare, we all accept some of the dumbest things as part of our stories as long as you get us there with a story that works. No one cares that literally Indiana Jones doesn't matter AT ALL in Raiders of the Lost Ark because the movie is awesome! No one cares about the flaws in Back to the Future because they make a halfhearted effort to explain away the things that make no sense and let you have fun with it. Patty didn't do that here at all. I honestly though part of the film was missing when I watched it like it buffered or something. It feels like pages of the script were missing...

Diana was looking for ways to reverse what the stone does and stop Max, Barbara realised in the Mayan book scene that all of her good fortune and life improvements lately were down to her wish with the stone, and didn’t want all of that power and attention she was now getting taken away. Pretty standard really I had no issue with it as like many things in the movie it was a very human reaction.

 

[Micromind]

I think some are interpreting that as a reference to Israelis saving Arab kids from their Arab leaders/groups.

People are just looking for reasons (which don't even make sense) to hate this movie.

BTW, The movie got theatrical release in many Arab countries. ( It made 1 mil in 3 days in Saudi Arabia.)

 

[Kev4000]

I cant stop thinking how brave that movie would be if it was set in the present.
- You could adress present political conflicts like China v USA
- Max could use social media for the final instead of television
- The MeToo-movement could be better adressed for Barbaras plot
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[Aurakles]

I mean, there's a world of difference between this--

And this--

Sure you could view archery as purely sport, the same could be said of fencing, but Hippolyta won't let Diana practice with a sword. In the first film her opinions seem absolute. Its inconsistent to ban Diana from using a shield, but allow shooting arrows from a moving horse.
Again, if it was just this on it's own I could overlook it, but together with Hippolyta dialogue it becomes harder to ignore.
Not sure if the wording is exact, but she says:
"Diana, one day you’ll become all that you dream of and more. Your time will come Diana. And everything will be different.
...
This world is not yet ready for all that you will do. You will become a legend."
Which is a complete 180 from the overprotective mother who didn't want to believe Ares was alive and wanted to keep Diana safe and sheltered on the island.
Letting her compete in the competition and filling her head with dreams of greatness contradicts this.