WandaVision WandaVision: season 1 Episode 9: “Series Finale” (Spoilers)

[NewYorkSpider]

So with the book finally confirmed being the Darkhold, that pretty much confirms that shows like Agents of Shield are not canon?

 

[MaceB]

I love it everytime fanboys get caught up into their own made up nonsense and they cry when they dont pan out. Wah wah evan, wah wah dr strange, wah this, wah that.
It was meant to be wandas story all along, and it turned out to be exactly that. Shocking.

The idea that Peters was a potential crossover was not nonsense. It was specifically why he was chosen... as misdirection. Don't blame me for believing the show. They failed to resolve a plot point that they set up. It's as simple as that. How does this random neighbor have super speed? Why wasn't he identified with the rest of the neighbors? So.... we're supposed to believe that Marvel hired the actor who played the same role under a different company.... and what..... didn't know about it? The show wanted us to believe that this was a Fox cross over.

Personally, I don't appreciate be toyed with.

 

[Primal Slayer]

So with the book finally confirmed being the Darkhold, that pretty much confirms that shows like Agents of Shield are not canon?

AoS hasnt been canon in I feel like forever. Marvel probably wants us to forget that show even happened lol.

 

[Web-Head]

I was extremely pleased with the finale. Arguably my favorite episode of the series and has me even more excited for Captain Marvel 2 and Doctor Strange.

As far as the whole Evan Peters thing goes, I can't lie and say I'm not disappointed. I never expected Feige to bring him into the MCU, but a small multiverse like tease would have been nice. I understand it though, if it were any other actor in the part we, as an audience, never would have accepted him as "Pietro" It was both a smart move and a troll job by Marvel.

I wonder if and when White Vision and Agatha will pop back up. It's nice that they kept those options open going forward.

I know a lot of people are going to be disappointed because they set themselves up with all the crazy theories and cameo speculations. I fell for it with the Peters thing and that's the only reason why I was disappointed in that regard. Hopefully the rest of the shows won't fall into that trap too much and I don't think they will because this show kind of lent itself to that.

Overall, pretty happy with the first of the MCU shows on Disney Plus. I think this was the show I was maybe least looking forward to, but it was still a fun ride for me. Can't wait to see what's in store with Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

 

[Web-Head]

Went ahead and made a couple of avatars while I was at it. Enjoy!

 

[MaceB]

I was extremely pleased with the finale. Arguably my favorite episode of the series and has me even more excited for Captain Marvel 2 and Doctor Strange.

As far as the whole Evan Peters thing goes, I can't lie and say I'm not disappointed. I never expected Feige to bring him into the MCU, but a small multiverse like tease would have been nice. I understand it though, if it were any other actor in the part we, as an audience, never would have accepted him as "Pietro" It was both a smart move and a troll job by Marvel.

I wonder if and when White Vision and Agatha will pop back up. It's nice that they kept those options open going forward.

I know a lot of people are going to be disappointed because they set themselves up with all the crazy theories and cameo speculations. I fell for it with the Peters thing and that's the only reason why I was disappointed in that regard. Hopefully the rest of the shows won't fall into that trap too much and I don't think they will because this show kind of lent itself to that.

Overall, pretty happy with the first of the MCU shows on Disney Plus. I think this was the show I was maybe least looking forward to, but it was still a fun ride for me. Can't wait to see what's in store with Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

Why did it have to be a different actor at all? Why couldn't they have just brought the actor from AoU back?

If Fietro had been played by new actor, then the audience would have been in the same position as Wanda...not knowing what's going on. We would be incredulous as she was. Instead...Marvel wanted to troll fans with meta references.

 

[Web-Head]

Why did it have to be a different actor at all? Why couldn't they have just brought the actor from AoU back?

If Fietro had been played by new actor, then the audience would have been in the same position as Wanda...not knowing what's going on. We would be incredulous as she was. Instead...Marvel wanted to troll fans with meta references.

The show answered why it wasn't Aaron Taylor Johnson.

 

[Dasher10]

Not at all.

1. We got a proper establishment of Wanda, her hex powers, her chaos magic, officially becomes the Scarlet Witch, and she learns astral projection.
2. The Darkhold is properly established now as a part of the MCU
3. Witches and Agatha Harkness are now part of the MCU in addition to the previously established wizards
4. We got White Vision, technically the original Vision, who now has his memories restored. So we will be seeing Vision again.
5. Monica Rambeau gained her superpowers and is on the road to becoming a hero herself.
6. Jimmy Woo was less of a comedy act and got to be shown with far more competence.
7. Billy and Tommy might still be out there somewhere? We still don't know the full extent of Wanda's abilities, perhaps Billy and Tommy will become real and then they will grow into Speed and Wiccan in Young Avengers later?
8. SWORD was also introduced. I hope that means Abigail Brand is not far behind.
9. We know that Wanda was likely born with her powers now and probably had them before HYDRA experimented on her.

1. Sets up Doctor Strange 2
2. Sets up the other three Ghost Riders who weren't introduced yet
3. Jennifer Kale and Topaz FTW
4. Wandavision Season 2?
5. Not just appearing in Captain Marvel 2 but it seems like she'll team up with Nick Fury for Secret Invsasion
6. I expect him to introduce us to Henry Peter Gyrich.
7. Implied to happen after the credits in Doctor Strange 2
8. She's the most obvious one. I'm also expecting Cassandra Nova as a villain. If the multiverse is milked for all its worth, then a sentinel from the DOFP timeline heading back to the past and uploading itself to a cyborg working for SWORD would give us Bastion. SWORD experimenting with the Negative Zone translates to the Fantastic Four. Val Cooper and Mystique working for SWORD can fast-track X-Factor.
9. Expect more characters to be called mutants. Taskmaster in Black Widow may also potentially be one. Termite may show up in Armor Wars.

 

[Zarex]

The idea that Peters was a potential crossover was not nonsense. It was specifically why he was chosen... as misdirection. Don't blame me for believing the show. They failed to resolve a plot point that they set up. It's as simple as that. How does this random neighbor have super speed? Why wasn't he identified with the rest of the neighbors? So.... we're supposed to believe that Marvel hired the actor who played the same roll under a different company.... and what..... didn't know about it? The show wanted us to believe that this was a Fox cross over.

Personally, I don't appreciate be toyed with.

My guess is witches can cast a time dilation hex that grants the recipient super speed. Wanda didn't want to be separated from her brother after interacting with the mind stone, so she subconsciously granted real Pietro superspeed while with Hydra. That also explains why Westview Hex Vision had superspeed, a power he never before exhibited in the MCU or in the comics. Wanda granted young Tommy superspeed, and Agatha did the same when she hexed the necklace and gave it to Ralph Bohner (Tee Hee!). Wanda also seemed super speedy when she snuck up on Agatha to give her the whammy.

 

[MaceB]

The show answered why it wasn't Aaron Taylor Johnson.

Yeah... the show did. They chose that explanation out of a million choices. Why couldn't they have brought him back from the dead? Or made one of the neighbors appear as the initial Pietro? A million ways to avoid this. Marvel WANTED this.... they hired him in order confuse fans. That was the whole value of his reveal moment... "Woa! It's the Quicksilver from Fox!"

Let's give them credit enough to assume that they expected the obvious audience reaction.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

AoS hasnt been canon in I feel like forever. Marvel probably wants us to forget that show even happened lol.

Was it ever really confirmed, though? I get everyone had their opinions/theories. I’ve always considered it canon along with every other TV show that has come out.

 

[Primal Slayer]

The Scarlet Witch is here and I love this outfit. Esp the headband.

 

[Web-Head]

Was it ever really confirmed, though? I get everyone had their opinions/theories. I’ve always considered it canon along with every other TV show that has come out.

Does it need to be? Feige wasn't involved with any of the shows aside from Agent Carter (Which was the only other show to really be "canon")

 

[Venom 1988]

They failed to resolve a plot point that they set up. It's as simple as that.

No it's not. Just because you are not happy with the result, does not mean they didn't resolve it.

 

[P Supreme]

So i'm being told it's my fault for going into theory rabbit holes well that's what weekly releases do to the show right u want chatter to build interest ? and you give us that finale with all the filler in the beginning just terrible

Costume was aces and glad Agatha survived everything is else is hot garbage

 

[MaceB]

No it's not. Just because you are not happy with the result, does not mean they didn't resolve it.

In this case, it does. There was a clear indication that Pietro was important. That he was different than the other neighbors. There is no explanation on how he became super fast. No explanation on how he wasn't identified by SWORD. No explanation on why he was introduced at all. Did he help Agatha in some way? How? Why was he created in the first place? Why couldn't she masquerade him as the real brother? ....She can transform a bunny, but not a stranger's face?

As it is.... we know why they did what they did.... to screw with viewer perceptions in a meta way outside the narrative. These questions were never meant to be answered... only asked. The narrative took a backseat.

 

[writer0327]

Is it just me, or did that feel kinda rushed? This should have played out over 2 episodes or made this at least a full hour.

As usual with Marvel, its never the story, it's the execution. Storywise, they had good stuff, a fascinating premise, but none of it played out as satisfying as it could. Too bad

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Does it need to be? Feige wasn't involved with any of the shows aside from Agent Carter (Which was the only other show to really be "canon")

For my sanity, yes. Lol

 

[Zarex]

Why did it have to be a different actor at all? Why couldn't they have just brought the actor from AoU back?

If Fietro had been played by new actor, then the audience would have been in the same position as Wanda...not knowing what's going on. We would be incredulous as she was. Instead...Marvel wanted to troll fans with meta references.

If Wanda opened the door and we saw, say, Kieran Culkin, your thinking is that would have been an improvement? We would have seen a guy who is clearly not Pietro pretending to be Pietro. YAY!!!

By stunt casting Peters, Schaeffer and Shakman got all of us thinking the same thing - What if this really IS Pietro, just brought over from the Kinbergverse? It got fans and non fans alike thinking and speculating about what, if anything, this means. For most folks it was an awful lot of fun. I think it was well worth it even if a handful of fans took this fun gag waaaaaaay to seriously.

 

[FlareKnight]

I will say the Evan Peters thing is a bit of a letdown. Not to mention it just hurts the story more than it helps. So Agatha could just make someone into a legitimate speedster and didn't take advantage of this? She could have created an army of superpowered people and reinforced her victory. Of course this was an idiot that challenged Wanda out in the open instead of just siphoning her power from within her lair where Wanda could do nothing to stop her. So maybe that's still in character.

Anyways it is still a bit of a downer. I get the point was to manipulate people into speculating about the potential X-Men crossover. But I don't think it was the best move. I think they could have done more with it. It would have been better to just throw out a random person. You could still have speculation about it being someone yanked from another corner of the multi-verse. Might not have created the same hype, but would have been a less distasteful move.

Getting things I'm iffy about out of the way first, I'm also not big on the bit about the people not knowing what Wanda sacrificed for them. Wanda is the one that held these people captive and brainwashed them. They shouldn't have to care about what she sacrificed. Many of them had their children trapped in their rooms for days while their parents were worried sick. Wanda wasn't the only villain here. But Wanda was still the villain here. Props to her in doing the right thing in the end. But she shouldn't get public praise for it nor should the people be put down for not being grateful for being freed from their prison by the person who locked them in there.

There was a lot of good stuff though. The action definitely was handled well and they had plenty of back and forths between Wanda and Agatha. At least she is still around as well. Leaves an interesting implication that Wanda can lock someone into a set role outside of the hex. And she can easily return in other Marvel stories whenever they want. Either need Wanda or someone who can dispel her control over Agatha to step in.

You also have White Vision out there which is fine. Hopefully they do stick with the idea that he's not quite the same guy. Even if he has the original memories back, he doesn't have the mind stone nor does he have the same emotions. He should still be a machine and that creates an interesting entity to throw out there into the MCU. A character with possible heroic leanings, but I don't think he'll be rekindling a romance with Wanda either.

The ending didn't quite stick the landing. But the show overall was still good. I'm a bit more excited for Falcon and Winter Soldier since there should be less attempts to troll the audience there. There will obviously still be silliness, but should be less questionable choices they can make.

 

[javonstokess]

Loved the Season Finale.

If you're upset that your individual theories didn't come true, I don't know what to tell you. That's not how entertainment works.

 

[MaceB]

If Wanda opened the door and we saw, say, Kieran Culkin, your thinking is that would have been an improvement? We would have seen a guy who is clearly not Pietro pretending to be Pietro. YAY!!!

By stunt casting Peters, Schaeffer and Shakman got all of us thinking the same thing - What if this really IS Pietro, just brought over from the Kinbergverse? It got fans and non fans alike thinking and speculating about what, if anything, this means. For most folks it was an awful lot of fun. I think it was well worth it even if a handful of fans took this fun gag waaaaaaay to seriously.

Yes....! We would have seen the character EXACTLY how Wanda saw him. Instead... we got purposely deceived.

So you agree... the only value that Peters served was as a meta troll on the audience. It wasn't for the narrative... it was for likes and clicks.

I don't watch cinema so I can be pranked or p'owned. I watch cinema for the narrative.... to see things develop and pay off. That didn't happen here.

 

[Web-Head]

For my sanity, yes. Lol

Feige won't come out and say it, but the other shows aren't canon.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I just want to get to the twins coming back, Im assuming that was part of Wandas studying of the book, how to get her family back in a legitimate way.

 

[X Knight]

Anyone else get serious Magneto vibes from the new Scarlet Witch costume?

I mean, frankly, Wanda in that Scarlet Witch costume would fit right at home in the Fox X-Men universe.