Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. - 5x11 "All The Comforts Of Home" Discussion Thread

[SPO2 Dalisay]

I am going with the divergent timelines type of time travel myself. I think that they have severed the show from Infinity Wars

 

[Pokkle]

So, the armless Yo-Yo we saw in the future was the future version of the one we have known? What about the flashback we saw to the post-Earth going boom event where we saw Yo-Yo ignoring May's advice and going after the Kree?

I'm just trying to figure out how this time travel works. It's weird in this show.

Let's say all those monoliths were in the Lighthouse from the get go. I still can't figure out where they came from, unless Enoch or Noah put them there. Did Stoner put them there? After all they did in season 3 about the the other one being so unique that ended up being destroyed along with the smaller pieces of it.

So, Earth goes boom in 2018, and by 2022 the Kree have arrived. In episode 8, they show May talking to Fitz-Simmons and Yo-Yo. Are those future versions of them experiencing the Earth going boom the first time or future versions of the ones we are watching now in Episode 11 that got plucked and then went back?

Then in 2091, they get plucked from 2018 and brought to 2091, then go back to 2018, but there's an armless Yo-Yo but she acted like she had already talked to herself before. Still annoys me that she didn't give our Yo-Yo more information to stop the whole damn thing.

So, regardless of how the team we know had changed their decisions, Yo-Yo still ends up in that same room with Ruby and gets her arms cut off? Just something seems fishy, here.

Future Yo-Yo who wanted to fight the Kree, already didn't have her arms, if you look back she was wearing gloves because she has robots arms like Coulson.


They are in a loop, Future Yo-Yo and Fitz already told us that.
Future Yo-Yo also went in the future, came back in the past, lost her arms, failed to save earth, made a deal with the Kree with the others, and try to rebel, die and then was revived when Kasius needed her.

 

[LTuser]

YoYo will end up getting prosthetics. We don't know whether they will have cool tech in them or just be normal ones. Coulson has normal and techie ones, so I don't see any reason they can't do the same for YoYo. Will have to re-watch that scene though. Still don't quite get how she cut YoYo's arms off. Also still don't quite get the general. Is she human, alien, robot, other?

That's something i'd love to know too.. HOW was it that the girl was able to even throw the disk in sufficient time to CUT the arms off of Yo-yo, and ONLY the arms...

Let's say all those monoliths were in the Lighthouse from the get go. I still can't figure out where they came from, unless Enoch or Noah put them there. Did Stoner put them there? After all they did in season 3 about the the other one being so unique that ended up being destroyed along with the smaller pieces of it.

That is something i DO wish to know. WE know from Season 3, (And first part of S4) that one of those monoliths was kept on the carrier, the Inead, and was used to send inhumans to hive's world.. We know the white one is time travel.

SO what's the third??

 

[scarlet-witch]

I actively disliked this episode. Besides the physics of YoYo only getting her arms cut off why didn't she tell everyone about having to let Coulson die?

Not feeling Dove's character so far either. So Daisy the fan fic insert character now has actual fans on the show? Wow.

 

[Dark Raven]

How exactly did Yo-Yo run to only get her arms cut off? Did she run with both of them in front of her outstretched? If so, it should've missed her arms entirely and sliced her body in half. Unless the blade bounced off the ceiling and cut her outstretched arms. But who runs like that?

That is far too clean a cut too. They're pretty much exactly the same length. If it had intersected at an angle, they should be different lengths. Maybe one would be below the shoulder and the other around the forearm. If it were purely horizontal, then it should've really cut off part of her boobs too.

Unless it's a special blade that cuts one arm, knows to miss out her body and then skips over and cuts off the other arm.

 

[KingCheops]

It's almost like we have to tune in next week to find out what happened!

I wonder if little miss jail bait has super speed powers too and suckered Yo Yo in. Given that they have full dossiers on the whole team they'd try to figure out some countermeasures to them. Hopefully when Yo Yo wakes up she can give us the scoop.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's almost like we have to tune in next week to find out what happened!

I wonder if little miss jail bait has super speed powers too and suckered Yo Yo in. Given that they have full dossiers on the whole team they'd try to figure out some countermeasures to them. Hopefully when Yo Yo wakes up she can give us the scoop.

Super speed would be the only way it could work. Fro-Yo would've had to go right up to Yo-Yo and slice off each arm individually instead of just tossing that frisbee at her.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Since the Lighthouse was just a big secret S.H.I.E.L.D base it was just one of many secrets that survived. Only this one was not know to Director Fury or have a Koenig caretaker. Since the Gideon Malick wing of Hydra already had their own monolith I guess 40 year old technology wasn't anybody's prime target

 

[raz1337]

It's almost like we have to tune in next week to find out what happened!

I wonder if little miss jail bait has super speed powers too and suckered Yo Yo in. Given that they have full dossiers on the whole team they'd try to figure out some countermeasures to them. Hopefully when Yo Yo wakes up she can give us the scoop.

Going to try to stay away from the super weird conversations, but just pointing out that Dove is 22 and nothing was really shown about Ruby that clarified her age.

I just hope we don't make it to episode 22 with significant unanswered questions.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah Dove is 22 and has been around a while. She might look young but she already reached adulthood 4 years ago.

I think Marvel should've saved her for someone else.

 

[Flash525]

So, how are they all most wanted if Cap, Romanoff, Ant-Man, Falcon are THE most wanted on the planet?

Also, this light going up to the sky, was it "decorative" enough that Stark didn't see it as something to intervene?

So, the Yo-Yo that was being held captive by Kasius wasn't the same Yo-Yo that went after the Kree against May's advice in that flashback? Does this mean there are....3 Yo-Yo's in the future?

At least Daisy called them out on them not interfering unless it was an extinction level event. Again, where were they when Ultron was turning Sokovia into a giant meteor? Or when the Tesseract was being played with? Were they unaware that there were 3 Infinity Stones on the Earth at one time?

Welcome to plot convenience.

How are they going to fix Yoyo's arms now? Is she going to be without them for the rest of the season? Or will someone have to go back in time again to fix everything?

One would assume cybernetics.

 

[LTuser]

It's almost like we have to tune in next week to find out what happened!

I wonder if little miss jail bait has super speed powers too and suckered Yo Yo in. Given that they have full dossiers on the whole team they'd try to figure out some countermeasures to them. Hopefully when Yo Yo wakes up she can give us the scoop.

Must have. IMO that's the only way she could have done that. BUT IF SHE did, why did that "cut off Yo-Yo's arm" be the only time she used it?

Since the Lighthouse was just a big secret S.H.I.E.L.D base it was just one of many secrets that survived. Only this one was not know to Director Fury or have a Koenig caretaker. Since the Gideon Malick wing of Hydra already had their own monolith I guess 40 year old technology wasn't anybody's prime target

That's an angle i hope they address. WHY wasn't this place known to any of the Hydra plants or anyone else in shield??

 

[Guard82]

This was an exciting return for the show. The writers still excel at delivering a lot of unexpected twists and turns and a lot of cool hijinks.

 

[Guard82]

Does Ruby Hale have a comic-equivalent character?

Young. Female. Skilled assassin. Lives in a military base under constant surveillance and goes outside only when her handlers send her on a mission. Almost like Laura Kinney/X-23.

True, but without any of Laura's healing abilities. Ruby mostly uses weapons apparently. She's more similar to various low-level female tech-based supervillain-assassin types from the comics like the Iron Maiden or the female Whiplash.

 

[Zant]

Yeah Dove is 22 and has been around a while. She might look young but she already reached adulthood 4 years ago.

I think Marvel should've saved her for someone else.

She can play MCU Emma Frost....

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Since the Lighthouse was just a big secret S.H.I.E.L.D base it was just one of many secrets that survived. Only this one was not know to Director Fury or have a Koenig caretaker. Since the Gideon Malick wing of Hydra already had their own monolith I guess 40 year old technology wasn't anybody's prime target

Must have. IMO that's the only way she could have done that. BUT IF SHE did, why did that "cut off Yo-Yo's arm" be the only time she used it?



That's an angle i hope they address. WHY wasn't this place known to any of the Hydra plants or anyone else in shield??

I doubt that we get any explanation. I would guess that with the end of the Cold War, Nuclear Winter and Doomsday Clock talk the Lighthouse project was put in cold storage.

S.H.I.E.L.D. must have had a big budget cut or Hydra was redirecting funds.
We have seen the base where the Kree remains being guarded by two what they called mercenaries, so private contractors like Hunter and not a uniformed Agent like May in any case.

Black for distance and white for, time travel monoliths we have seen before. The Chekov's Gun of the third gray one has been laid down

 

[tbg]

Since the Lighthouse was just a big secret S.H.I.E.L.D base it was just one of many secrets that survived. Only this one was not know to Director Fury or have a Koenig caretaker. Since the Gideon Malick wing of Hydra already had their own monolith I guess 40 year old technology wasn't anybody's prime target

It 'could' be explained as a base initially started in the early stages of SHIELD. The Zola computer noted that SHIELD brought in Hydra scientists after the war and when SHIELD was formed. With the Cold war kicking off shortly after WWII, and the fear of atomic (and later nuclear) war, the Lighthouse would have been something started around then. Zola might have been in SHIELD when it started but he may not have been privy to the existence of the Lighthouse. In order for a program such as it to succeed, it's existence would have to have been more than black. I would have been invisible. Meaning once funded and begun, nobody outside of the program itself would have known it existed. Only in the event of need would they bring people in to it. Just my $0.02 on the subject.

 

[Dark Raven]

Must have. IMO that's the only way she could have done that. BUT IF SHE did, why did that "cut off Yo-Yo's arm" be the only time she used it?



That's an angle i hope they address. WHY wasn't this place known to any of the Hydra plants or anyone else in shield??

If Dove knows that Yo-Yo is a speedster, why not cut off her legs instead?

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

If Dove knows that Yo-Yo is a speedster, why not cut off her legs instead?

Perhaps the goal is to capture the Inhumans for future use, not to just give them a bullet to the head like General Hale gave her failed Lieutenants. Without arms Yo-Yo would be easier to control, as Kasius was able to in his timeline's future, while retaining her scouting abilities once she received enough physical therapy.

 

[Dark Raven]

Perhaps the goal is to capture the Inhumans for future use, not to just give them a bullet to the head like General Hale gave her failed Lieutenants. Without arms Yo-Yo would be easier to control, as Kasius was able to in his timeline's future, while retaining her scouting abilities once she received enough physical therapy.

How would being armless make Yo-Yo easier to control? She could still run away as a speedster. Without legs she can't exactly run anywhere unless she hops away on stumps or uses her hands on the ground to propel herself.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

How would being armless make Yo-Yo easier to control? She could still run away as a speedster. Without legs she can't exactly run anywhere unless she hops away on stumps or uses her hands on the ground to propel herself.

She runs but at the end of her heartbeat she is right back where she started. She can still sneak and peak, perhaps hit like a football player but not do the extra stuff like disarming others or try to pick a lock on a chain around her ankle that Kassius held her with

 

[Dark Raven]

She runs but at the end of her heartbeat she is right back where she started. She can still sneak and peak, perhaps hit like a football player but not do the extra stuff like disarming others or try to pick a lock on a chain around her ankle that Kassius held her with

Yeah, but that would all be irrelevant if she doesn't have legs to run. She can't sneak around anywhere or even get somewhere to eventually snap back to where she started if she can't even move in the first place.

Even with arms to pick locks, if she still had them she would't be able to do it stealthily without legs to carry her back and forth. Unless she can figure out how to wheel herself quick on a wheelchair and then snap back into place.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Yeah, but that would all be irrelevant if she doesn't have legs to run. She can't sneak around anywhere or even get somewhere to eventually snap back to where she started if she can't even move in the first place.

Even with arms to pick locks, if she still had them she would't be able to do it stealthily without legs to carry her back and forth. Unless she can figure out how to wheel herself quick on a wheelchair and then snap back into place.

Which brings us full circle to my original point that the General and her daughter were not on a Kill mission but a capture some Inhuman assets mission. With no legs you lose your super recon specialist and have just a disabled human.

That would only help a less than lethal Watchdog in making an Inhuman back into human. But then the killing of the General's Lieutenants seems to suggest that they would not use less than Lethal tactics for PR purposes I guess

 

[raz1337]

But, what I want to know is how they originally got everyone to the lighthouse in the first place. Enoch? Was there an initial timeline that didn't involve the agents being plucked?

Also, it seemed like Yo-Yo was like, only inconvenienced that she just had two limbs cut off. Is it me, or was she not showing the right amount of pain for something like that?

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Yo-Yo not telling everyone what she learned from her future self was rather dumb. And if they still don't believe her now, they'll be equally stupid.

It's like all these episodes of TV shows where someone is caught in a time loop. We saw that recently in Legends of Tomorrow. If the person caught in it who has knowledge of the future doesn't tell anyone what happened, then they're idiots.

Since Yo-Yo knew what was going to happen and even what was going on with Coulson, keeping all to herself was not clever at all.