"Citizen Prime" - real life superhero

I read comic books.

I'd like to be a superhero, but I'm not, and will never be..:(

However, I can still help people in need, or in danger, and try and move things into a positive direction...and I don't need a gay little costume to do it either.


Going out at night and finding thugs is not a good idea, it's basically a way of going out screaming "HEY SHOOT ME", I haven't found one special story of a vigilante dealing out real justice in a real dangerous situation.

Plus Prime is probably a child molester. He gave off that vibe :(
 
Both of which are dangerous things. Basically what you're saying is I have a delusional eccentric running around attempt to act as a crime prevention or crime deterant...does that sound remotely safe or like a good idea to you:huh:

Eccentricity isn't inherently dangerous. It depends on how one is exactly eccentric. If his eccentricity is simply that he enjpys wearing the costume, then that's hardly dangerous. And wanting to live out a desire doesn't mean you necessairily delusional. Sometimes, when one wishes to live out a desire or dream, one will try to go through the necessairy steps to acheive the aformentioned goal. So while he might just be some guy in a costume who doesn't know what he's doing, for all we know he may have gone to the trouble of taking time to figure out exactly what he's doing and how to acomplish it best. We don't know, and I don't think it's fair to assume.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not saying that he does know what he's doing, or is going to be at all effective, or isn't going to get himself or somebody else hurt. Because, honestly, I don't know a damn thing about him. All I'm saying is that one shouldn't make assumptions.
 
Both of which are dangerous things. Basically what you're saying is I have a delusional eccentric running around attempt to act as a crime prevention or crime deterant...does that sound remotely safe or like a good idea to you:huh:[/quote]

That's why I'm scratching my head as to why anyone would condone this guy's behavior.

Think of it like this. You're late for something and you bolt from your house to your car, parked on the street. This jackass thinks your fleeing a crime scene and tazers you. I'll bet you're not going to think it was okay because hey...what's the problem with a stranger in a costume who's not a law enforcement office running around enforcing what he believes the law to be?

jag
 
That's why I'm scratching my head as to why anyone would condone this guy's behavior.

Think of it like this. You're late for something and you bolt from your house to your car, parked on the street. This jackass thinks your fleeing a crime scene and tazers you. I'll bet you're not going to think it was okay because hey...what's the problem with a stranger in a costume who's not a law enforcement office running around enforcing what he believes the law to be?

jag

That's a faulty arguement. There's no reason to assume that he would automatiocally think that someone running down the street is fleeing from the scene of a crime. That is making the assumption that he reacts to initial thoughts without thinking tjem through, which is baseless.

Again, I'm not saying that you're wrong and that wouldn't happen. I'm just saying that you're making assumptions about a person you have very limited information on, which is unfair.
 
Eccentricity isn't inherently dangerous. It depends on how one is exactly eccentric.
Okay...how about dressing up in a costume and thinking you have the moral authority, legal right (which you don't) and super-powers (which don't exist) to enforce the law and prevent crime?
If his eccentricity is simply that he enjoys wearing the costume
I know people who like to f*** in Barney costumes, that's okay. It would stop being okay the minute they took that "gift" and "vision" as a sign they should be fighting crime.
And wanting to live out a desire doesn't mean you necessairily delusional.
In this case said desire: to be a super-hero. Super-hero, despite how we loves teh superheroes, don't exist and won't exist. I.e. his belief that he is or can become one is delusional. Just as delusional as someone who thinks they are alien or an incarnation of an animal, etc.
Sometimes, when one wishes to live out a desire or dream, one will try to go through the necessairy steps to acheive the aformentioned goal.
More power to people who want to live out a dream, this guy just wants attention. If he really wanted to be a vigilante their are sanctioned, legal means such as the military, police and bounty hunting by which to approximate that profession. Then he could live out his dream of saving lives and stopping badguys, most people have the sense it seems to do it that way. Instead he dresses in a looney costume and attempts to enforce laws and do random acts, not good.
So while he might just be some guy in a costume who doesn't know what he's doing, for all we know he may have gone to the trouble of taking time to figure out exactly what he's doing and how to acomplish it best.
Again if he wanted to accomplish this goal the best way HE WOULD START AN ORGANIZED NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH WITH POLICE OFFICER SUPPORT, TEACH SELF-DEFENSE CLASSES, AND POSSIBLY TRY TO BECOME A COP OR DEPUTIZED CITIZEN, that would be a fairly effective way to prevent crime. But he doesn't. He chooses the least effective method, puts an ungodly amount of effort into a guady costume and runs around like a lunatic looking for crimes to stop. Yeah, that's the best way to go about it:whatever:
We don't know, and I don't think it's fair to assume.
I have actions and now two or three videos to judge him by. This isn't Sunday school, I won't write some embittered letter telling him what to do, but I am perfectly in the right judging him...that's what using your brain is all about, making judgement calls. If this guy did that more often maybe he wouldn't be acting like a nutcase in a costume.
Anyway, like I said, I'm not saying that he does know what he's doing, or is going to be at all effective
If he knew what he was doing he would be effective...there is a correlation between those ya'know.
or isn't going to get himself or somebody else hurt. Because, honestly, I don't know a damn thing about him. All I'm saying is that one shouldn't make assumptions.
I'm not making assumptions, me and Jag are making assertions, based on logic, well thought out conclusions in regards to his actions, and also what he has given us.
 
The guy is basically a reserve/auxiliary police officer. I'm an auxiliary officer in my town and we drive around in patrol cars patrolling and calling cental dispatch when theres a crime or when an emergency vehicle/personnel is needed. We're not real cops and they dont train us or anything...its a volunteer program (and it looks good on a resume when I train to be a real police officer).

It sounds like what this guy is doing is the same exact thing.
 
Okay...how about dressing up in a costume and thinking you have the moral authority, legal right (which you don't) and super-powers (which don't exist) to enforce the law and prevent crime?

At what point did he say that he actually thought he had super powers?

I know people who like to f*** in Barney costumes, that's okay. It would stop being okay the minute they took that "gift" and "vision" as a sign they should be fighting crime.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to go around your neighborhood looking after people. Just because he wears a costume doesn't mean he's automatically deranged or dangerous. It just means that he liked wearing a costume.

In this case said desire: to be a super-hero. Super-hero, despite how we loves teh superheroes, don't exist and won't exist. I.e. his belief that he is or can become one is delusional. Just as delusional as someone who thinks they are alien or an incarnation of an animal, etc.

He's not saying that he thinks he can melt metal with his eyes or fly. He's just saying that he wants to help people. He's only dillusional if he thinks he has the necessairy skills to do this when he doesn't. And we don't know what skills he has.

More power to people who want to live out a dream, this guy just wants attention. If he really wanted to be a vigilante their are sanctioned, legal means such as the military, police and bounty hunting by which to approximate that profession. Then he could live out his dream of saving lives and stopping badguys, most people have the sense it seems to do it that way. Instead he dresses in a looney costume and attempts to enforce laws and do random acts, not good.

Again, you're assuming that all he wants is attention.

Again if he wanted to accomplish this goal the best way HE WOULD START AN ORGANIZED NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH WITH POLICE OFFICER SUPPORT, TEACH SELF-DEFENSE CLASSES, AND POSSIBLY TRY TO BECOME A COP OR DEPUTIZED CITIZEN, that would be a fairly effective way to prevent crime. But he doesn't. He chooses the least effective method, puts an ungodly amount of effort into a guady costume and runs around like a lunatic looking for crimes to stop. Yeah, that's the best way to go about it:whatever:

1) There's no need for the bold face/all capes. I got it already. I'm not arguing against that at all.

2) What I'm saying is, what if his dream is to dress in a gaudy costume and look around for crimes to stop?

I have actions and now two or three videos to judge him by. This isn't Sunday school, I won't write some embittered letter telling him what to do, but I am perfectly in the right judging him...that's what using your brain is all about, making judgement calls. If this guy did that more often maybe he wouldn't be acting like a nutcase in a costume.

You only have one real video to judge him by (the myspace one wasn't serious in nature). You really don't know enough about his actions to know if he knows what he's doing or not.

If he knew what he was doing he would be effective...there is a correlation between those ya'know.

This was a completely pointless jibe.

I'm not making assumptions, me and Jag are making assertions, based on logic, well thought out conclusions in regards to his actions, and also what he has given us.

No, you're making assumptions. He hasn't given you much at all, and you don't have enough information about his actions to think that he's delusional, ineffective, or dangerous.
 
his suit is inpratical.He will get attention and then end up getting beaten up or shot or sued then the law will step in against him.he never encounterd violence because he avoids it,id love to see him kick down the door of some illegal drug house and go to work but im sure he intentionally avoids them.its a joke that wont turn out well at all.
 
Listen, this is a dumb arguement. Made even dumber by the fact that it's taking place on the internet. I honestly don't care what you guys think about this guy. I'll just stick to figuring out what I think of him for now.
 
It shouldnt be an argument, it should be an ethical debate (thats what discussion forums are for, right?). Not everybody is going to agree with eachother.
 
That's a faulty arguement. There's no reason to assume that he would automatiocally think that someone running down the street is fleeing from the scene of a crime. That is making the assumption that he reacts to initial thoughts without thinking tjem through, which is baseless.

Again, I'm not saying that you're wrong and that wouldn't happen. I'm just saying that you're making assumptions about a person you have very limited information on, which is unfair.

You're arguing that it's reasonable to assume that a grown man who spent $4000 on a superhero costume and bought a bunch of gadgets who spends his free time driving around town looking for crimes to stop without any sanction or authorization from formal law enforcement is somehow justified in engaging in vigilantism, no matter how little training and education he may have just because that is his "dream". :dry:

jag
 
At what point did he say that he actually thought he had super powers?
He said he could "activate other heroes" and also says he is athletic (which he isn't), and that he is a martial arts expert...which by all appearances, he isn't. Even in his video he is unable to pull off basic punching motions which were taught to me within my first week of boxing.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to go around your neighborhood looking after people. Just because he wears a costume doesn't mean he's automatically deranged or dangerous. It just means that he liked wearing a costume.
Ummm...yeah it does. Sorry, that's the REAL WORLD. In comic land this isn't the case, but in the real world you are delusional if you feel you need to run around and fight crime in a costume...
He's not saying that he thinks he can melt metal with his eyes or fly. He's just saying that he wants to help people. He's only dillusional if he thinks he has the necessairy skills to do this when he doesn't. And we don't know what skills he has.
Which is the case here, which unfortunately you fail to see despite the fact you've convienently sidestepped the issue everytime it comes up. Police and law enforcement are trained in crime prevention, they go threw school for it. It would be no different if he was walking into hospitals trying to perform open heart surgery. He might be trying to help, but like Deputy Dan, he is only getting in the way. Police have protocals and procedures for situations...and above all experience, because officers are forced to work up through the ranks. Advertising is nice and all, but producing jingles doesn't give him the moral authority to decide who is a criminal and who isn't...there is a reason we have a criminal justice system. Key words there: Justice and System. It's not run by one man because as history has shown us "one man" (monarchs, magistrates, etc.) are prone to letting their own personal views of the world interfere with their ability. Systems attempt to use organizational efforts to take care of problems like crime, and certainly have the ability to keep people like Deputy Dan and Citizen Prime out.
Again, you're assuming that all he wants is attention.
Again...you side step this. Or you just want to condone this guy because, as seen in other arguments, you're extremely hung up on characters like Batman, Moon Knight and Question being able to operate in the real world. What is he putting more effort into: helping people, or his costume and gadgets. Apparently the most he has done thus far is hand out pamplets and find purses...he isn't really going out of his way to help people.

And the fact is his patrolling of crime ridden areas with potentially lethal or injurous weaponry scares me.
1) There's no need for the bold face/all capes. I got it already. I'm not arguing against that at all.
You have been arguing against that though, this whole time.
2) What I'm saying is, what if his dream is to dress in a gaudy costume and look around for crimes to stop?
Then someone needs to tell him to "grow up and get a clue".
You only have one real video to judge him by (the myspace one wasn't serious in nature). You really don't know enough about his actions to know if he knows what he's doing or not.
And a news report. And a blog. And a myspace page. And two e-mails that have been posted. And a website. Etc. Etc.
This was a completely pointless jibe.
Not really. People who know the best way to do something are effective. He doesn't, and is apparently ineffective.
No, you're making assumptions. He hasn't given you much at all, and you don't have enough information about his actions to think that he's delusional, ineffective, or dangerous.
I'll repeat this slowly. He has yet to STOP ANY CRIMES (ineffective), He thinks he is a Super-hero (Delusional), and he is patrolling neighborhoods with near lethal weaponry (dangerous). Capiche'
 
if he just wants to help people and so on he doesnt have to wear such a gotty outfit.he wants attention for this,wants interviews and so on.
 
You're arguing that it's reasonable to assume that a grown man who spent $4000 on a superhero costume and bought a bunch of gadgets who spends his free time driving around town looking for crimes to stop without any sanction or authorization from formal law enforcement is somehow justified in engaging in vigilantism, no matter how little training and education he may have just because that is his "dream". :dry:

jag

Not at all. I've been arguing that it isn't safe to assume anything.
 
Fellas, on his myspace page...that video was his "who wants to be a superhero" audition tape. Thats what his "character" can do in fiction (the "activation of super powers" bit).
 
Not at all. I've been arguing that it isn't safe to assume anything.

Sorry, but you've been trying to justify and rationalize this guy's behavior in this thread. You've made just as many assumptions as anyone else about him and who he is so don't try and climb up on that high horse.

jag
 
Sorry, but you've been trying to justify and rationalize this guy's behavior in this thread. You've made just as many assumptions as anyone else about him and who he is so don't try and climb up on that high horse.

jag

No, I haven't. I've said from the very begining that I don't actually think that he's especially skilled or capable because I don't know anything about him. I may not have done it well as I could have, but I was trying to make a point about how he might be, so we shouldn't automatically assume that he isn't. Of course, we also shouldn't automatically assume that he is.
 
unless someone is doing what the law can't, then there is no point and it iss just dangerous. If someone were to go around killing off known criminals who the law would struggle to touch, then yeah, they'd make a difference, but then there's different problems there...
 
I want a Citizen Prime T-Shirt.
 
Heres an article on "real life superheroes":

http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/2007-04-24/soltes-realsuperheroes

It started out as a normal night. That is, until the bad guy started dancing like the devil in the pale moonlight.
Chris was minding his own business on the streets of Staten Island, N.Y., when he saw a man dash into a convenience store. The man sprinted through the aisles, trashing the place, then broke a glass bottle on the floor and brandished the shards as a makeshift knife.
Chris, coming to the rescue, cornered him in the aisle. While Chris kept the villain at bay, customers called the police.
That night, one of the most dangerous nights in his career, Chris truly earned the right to be called Chris Guardian.
Guardian, 23, who patrols the sidewalks and alleyways of New York City, is one of a small group of people around the world who call themselves real-life superheroes. Some do it for fun, as if Halloween were a yearlong celebration. But others, like Guardian, are dead serious about protecting life.
“I’ve always had something inside of me that made me want to really make a difference and just make the world a better place,” Guardian said recently during a discreet nighttime interview in a park in Manhattan's Greenwich Village. “I always loved comic books and the idea of heroes out there. And I just said, 'What the hell is stopping somebody from doing it?'”
When Guardian, a martial arts teacher who would not give his real name, first began patrolling New York at night, he was known as Dark Guardian. But recently he shed his old costume of a black mask with a painted-on smiley face and changed his name to Chris Guardian. He said the old costume was too weird for some people, while others didn’t pay attention.
“This is New York, so half the people didn’t even look,” said Guardian, who is having a new costume made up with the letters C.G. emblazoned on the front.
Guardian, like most superheroes, acts within the strictest sense of the law. “If I don’t have to put myself in danger, and the police can handle it, let the police handle it,” he said. “You know, I’m not going to do something stupid.”
Citizen Prime, a superhero based in Phoenix and a friend of Guardian, said there were many degrees of what a real-life superhero could do. A few stray into the vigilante role, taking the law into their own hands. But most, in the spirit of truth, justice and the American way, patrol the streets looking to help women and children.
“You don’t want to be standing on top of a building with your grappling hook ready to jump down on crack dealers,” Prime said. “That’s actually against the law.”
Prime, a 40-year-old married man whose first name is Jim, has been protecting the streets of Phoenix for a year. He became a superhero to spread the message that people don’t have to be fearful of crime. “Are you going to sit inside scared that a terrorist might attack your city, or are you going to go out and live your life?” he asked.
But Prime, who patrols once or twice a week in a black, blue and yellow costume, found one chink in his armor. He couldn’t find any crime. “The only crime I’ve ever stopped is when I was actually walking out of a sporting goods store with my wife,” he said. “A shoplifter came running past me, and I managed to throw him to the ground.”
With villains often hard to come by, superheroes fill up their time by dispensing charity as well as justice.
Many superheroes offer food to the homeless, deliver toys to sick children, rescue motorists with flat tires or spend time in their own fortresses of solitude visiting the many online superhero communities.
One such site is the World Superhero Registry, run by Phoenix-based superhero Kevlex, whose name is a combination of Kevlar and spandex.
His Web site supplies information on some of the world’s most famous superheroes: Angle Grinder Man in England, who helps free illegally parked cars from the bonds of immobilization; Terrifica, a female superhero who saves the drunk women of Brooklyn from unseemly masculine advances; and Polar Man, a Canadian superhero who, well, shovels driveways and sidewalks for the elderly.
Kevlex, 47, patrols only once or twice a week, and even less in the summer because the hot Arizona sun makes his costume uncomfortable. (Apparently, being a superhero is both a gift and a curse.)
Kevlex says that when he does go out, disguising his true identity is still necessary, even if he does nothing illegal. When he is in costume, bad guys “can’t tell which areas are protective gear and which areas their bullets would just slide right through,” he said.
Though, to be honest, Kevlex said he has never been in a situation with bullets. “The area that I’m in isn’t that dangerous,” he admitted.
Tothian, 22, a superhero who protects New Jersey and New York, is one of the more active heroes. He uses his skills as a Marine reservist and martial arts expert when patrolling the streets, and has escorted women home at night and broken up fights.
His uniform--he prefers that term to costume--is black combat boots, green cargo pants and a T-shirt. His logo, which is stitched into the middle of the T-shirt with cut-up bandanas, is made from the letters used to spell Tothian.
“That name chose me, I feel,” he said. “I am adding definition through the name, through my actions, my words and everything that I do.”
Tothian doesn’t wear a mask because it blocks his peripheral vision, and says he doesn’t wear a cape “because capes get in the way of actually doing real superhero stuff.”
Tothian says he doesn't want to become a police officer because he doesn’t agree with every law on the book. “I’m not out to punish every single criminal,” he said. For example, he would counsel marijuana smokers, but wouldn’t apprehend them as bad guys.
Tothian said he gets some strange looks when people find out he’s a superhero. But after people realize he’s out to protect them, he says their trepidation eases somewhat.
“Heroes are real, so superheroes are just heroes who are really super at it,” he said. “The world is constantly crying out in need of superheroes, and I’m giving them one.”
E-mail: [email protected]
SIDEBAR: HOW SECRET ARE THOSE SUPERHERO IDENTITIES?
Real-life superheroes may be secretive about their identity, but they certainly welcome e-mail messages and visits to their MySpace pages. On the Web, many superheroes like Chris Guardian and Tothian show their real faces. Others, like Citizen Prime (myspace.com/paragonprime), wear elaborate masks.
Even so, meeting up with a superhero is challenging.
When setting up a rendezvous, they tend to prefer nighttime visits. You will be given a place to meet, like Washington Square Park in Greenwich Village, and told to call a cell phone number at precisely 10:30 p.m. No other details will be given. When you’re waiting for the clock to strike the half hour, you constantly check over your shoulder, knowing that the superhero has already been tracking your every move.
Once 10:30 rolls around, you call your hero, only to get a response like, “I’m walking up to you right now. I’m bald and wearing a leather jacket.”
Other superheroes avoid direct contact with the media. Squeegeeman and Captain Xavier Obvious work through their press person, Peter Magellan, who leaves messages on cell phones in an Australian accent that may or may not be authentic. When Squeegeeman himself leaves a message, the call is from a restricted number, and the superhero talks in a high-pitched voice that sounds, well, like a squeegee.
E-mails are no better. Squeegeeman’s messages are punctuated frequently by a squeegee adjective: “Have a squeegeerific day!!!”

Here's "Chris Guardian":

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And "SqueeGee Man":

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"Tothian":

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And "Citizen Prime":

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Are we gonna have a real life superhero Civil War one day? :csad:
 
Is it just me, or this this whole thing very, very recent? And their numbers are growing. Are we gonna see guys like this in the news more and more often?

I checked out Chris Gaurdian, and he says he's a martial arts teacher at a school with 300 students. He says he did a charity gig recently that raised over $1000.

I think these guys are a good thing.
 
Thats my guess. I think we'll have a real-life "govenment issued superhero registration act" in a few years, lol.
 
Chris Gaurdian seems to be the most believable and the most helpful out of the ones I've read about so far. And he has regular team ups with other heroes.

This new sub-culture is kinda cool! lol.
 

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