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No Origin... Confirmed by Latino Review

thanks day, i was just thinking it the other day. Cause i just bought the dark knight dvd and was going through all the bonus feature stuff. And rewatched those gotham tonight vids. So i thought it would be a prime thing they could do with supes. From the view of the daily planet. And they could set up plots like whats up with lex luthor/lexcorp, mob stuff if they wanted to include intergang or something like that. Then talk about superman saves if as i said they start the film off already with him out to the public for a short time, or just prior to his public outing.
 
The viral idea for Superman is a great idea. It worked very well for the Dark Knight.
 
They could use a "internet is being assimilated by Brainiac" idea or something.

"Vote for which city YOU want to see shrunken and stored away. . . hurry before this offer ends, for all other human settlements will be destroyed!!"

Text "SAVEME" to 1-800-555-ALIEN.
 
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They could use a "internet is being assimilated by Brainiac" idea or something.

"Vote for which city YOU want to see shrunken and stored away. . . hurry before this offer ends, for all other human settlements will be destroyed!!"

Lol.

Yeah that would be good. Its like when the Joker took over the Dark Knight site or when Lex Luthor took over the Superman Returns site.
 
I really enjoyed the whole TDK marketing. It was charmingly wacky.
 
They could use a "internet is being assimilated by Brainiac" idea or something.

"Vote for which city YOU want to see shrunken and stored away. . . hurry before this offer ends, for all other human settlements will be destroyed!!"

Text "SAVEME" to 1-800-555-ALIEN.






Something like that I can see working well!
 
yah....just imagine Brainiac taking over your computer screen with words saying.....

"ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US!!" :oldrazz:
 
If people already know Superman and his story, aren't people going to be confused with a new actor playing Superman, without his origins.

You got a pure origin tale in Batman Begins and people still thought that was a prequel to Burton's work. So what difference does it really make?
 
thanks for thinking of my idea is good. i as i said above thought it would be a cool thing to do like they did with batman, More so if the plan is to start off the film with superman been in action for a bit(even though i personally hope they are at least starting with his first day/first public save).
 
thanks for thinking of my idea is good. i as i said above thought it would be a cool thing to do like they did with batman, More so if the plan is to start off the film with superman been in action for a bit(even though i personally hope they are at least starting with his first day/first public save).

That would work so well, in Batman Begins it starts when hes on his journey but starting out with Superman in action, in full costue would be a superb way to start. I remember in the JJ Abrams script it started of with Superman in battle but I prefer your idea of him making his first public appearance. This would be awesome.
 
I too would like the first scene to be Superman in action. But I would first show a powerful super-villain (a D-list villain or even someone made up), terrorizing the city, destroying everything in his path, chaos is everywhere nothing can stop him, then BOOM out of nowhere Superman punches him in the head, the villain feels like he has been hit by a megaton bomb and collapes to the street. Everything is calm. Superman stands over him with his fist clenched looking down at the villain, CLOSE ON: his eyes literally burning red. Pissed. CUT TO TITLE : THE MAN OF STEEL.

It would be a good way to introduce how powerful Superman is and also show the audience that "this isn't your daddy's Superman."
 
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yea there is a wide range of ways the film could go. for me as i said i still hope we do get some origins stuff told be it krypton or smallville. it would just be a bit lacking to not have any of that stuff at all. since we lose out on characters and starting plots for future films possible and all that. But like if i said they did start the film out where he has been active for a bit. i would love to see the viral idea i thought of used. Or at least start the film out with his first public reveal to the city/world.
 
Has anyone read Superman : Kryptonite by Darwyne Cook and Tim Sale? It's a decent story, just read it this weekend, i wasn't crazy about how it ended but some of the setup was quite good.

Superman has been around for a few months, he's still learning the limits of his powers, which is pretty cool when you think about it, he would be scared for a second if he didn't know if something would kill him or not. There's a great scene where he's trying to stop a volcano, he knows the lava won't hurt his skin but when borrows into the volcano and starts to "drown" in lava, he starts to panic not knowing how it will effect his insides. I'll post some pics when i get a chance but i just thought what an interesting approach to the character. Just like Iron Man testing the limits of his suit, Superman would need to learn about his limitations early in his career, it's doubtful that he went through everything that he would possibly encounter as a teen in smallville. He'd have numerous first time encounters with situations in which he's not sure that he can handle. To me that would be something we haven't seen before on the big screen and would allow us as viewers to connect with his fears/concerns and see him overcome them.

What i didn't like about the comic was his depiction when he would go home to his parents, i understand what kurosawa means when he talks about "man boy". He seemed too much like a little kid versus a grown man who needed advice. Those scenes when handled right can be good (i thought lois and clark did a great job in that department) but he should never come across as a little kid when talking to them.

Also another thing they developed in the story, was that perry pulls lois, clark and jimmy into his office for a special assignement. There is a new casino in town and perry thinks the owner is deeply involved in coortuption and vice. Since the guys already bought off half the city to get his casino going perry needs reporters he can trust, who he knows can't be bought off. So he turns to the trio. Clark and jimmy setup shop with some high tech equipment so they can listen in on Gallo's (the casion owner) conversations. Lois is tasked with getting close to him to try to get an exclusive.

I really liked the setup, it shows how much trust exists between these 4 and it gives each of these main characters a practical function in the story. I'd love to see something along those lines used in teh new film. Not doing an origin in now way limits creativity, it just gives us a different jumping on point and hopefully allows more time to develop the characters and story.

The last thing the story does that i was intrigued by was the romance. It implies that lois and superman have been seeing each other in private (it shows them having dinner atop the effiel tower) for a few months. This is something they both look forward to and they're both fallign for each other. Teh problem is superman often misses their dates b/c of emergencies. Lois sees that she has to share him with the world and that it's not going to workout (not exactly but something along those lines) so she tells him they need to stop seeing each other. She loves him but being who he is they can't have a normal relationship, etc.

By the end of the story she and jimmy help save superman etc etc. The last page panels are a nice surprise, b/c lois is at her apt when the door bell rings. she opens up (and i think we readers are expecting superman) and there stands clark. He says he knows lois has been through a lot in the last few weeks/days and figured he could take her out, give her some company. She hesitates then turns around and "ah, what the heck". And they go out.

Again a cool scene that seems to imply clark will now be the one pursuing lois, first as a friend then as more. I guess the idea is that she would eventually discover his secret and hopfully come to terms with it. I really like that little twist at the end.

Also the portrayal of clark here is pretty good, he's just a "dialed back" version of his natuarl personality, very low key, doesn't get excited, mild mannered in other words. Works well.

Anyway i think some great stuff could be taken from this story and used in the new film that doesn't require an origin.
 
sounds like an interesting story day. personally i still hope we have some sort of origins told. Cause really would be a waste to not have any origins.
 
I see where you and a lot of people are upset about not seeing the origin but that's not confirmed so we still may see some. I just want them to approach it from a character driven angle vs traditionally how it's been portrayed before. I see no need for the three act, krypton, smallville, finally metropolis and superman. If they approach it differently then great but simply re-doing it in that fashion would be a waste in my opinon.

Lois & Clark pilot episode was more character driven than any of the films and left out the origin. I felt the characters were better developed and likable in that 2 hr time frame than in any other version of the property. not having an origin doesn't impact the quality of the characters as long as we're given a practical "jumping on point" as an audience, ie his first day at the planet or in the story above he's been superman for a few months, something like that.

As far as the krypton stuff, i've mentioned this before by my preference and what i think would impact the audience more is to discover it's final fate along with clark. Hoping at some point in the film either via his ship or after discovering the Fortress he is able through full virtual emersion to visit krytpon and experience it's final moments that way. Then we as an audience experience it with clark for the first time and have the same emotional response, vs "oh we saw that already". I think it would tie us closer to his character to see it with him first.
 
yea that is the thing. We dont know what the story is and what is going to be told. As i said multiple times. Since this is going to be a new rebooted film universe. It would just be a foolished move not having any origins stuff told. Now yes with all the legal stuff that for now is an issue. But if we cant have krypton besides a mear mention. Then at least do some smallville/traveling the world stuff. And at least open the film with clark's arrival to metropolis or his first going public save as superman. Cause as i said before whats the point of this new universe if we are not getting to see how characters first met and why/how said characters are the way they are.

yea there is a wide ways they can go about with how to show any origins and how the film will play out. Sure we dont need to spend an hr on krypton/smallville-pre metropolis life. But i dont care which way the story is played out. As long as it flows well and i see things i want to see in this new universe.
 
I didn't know it was already decided upon for Brainiac, and the notion that Bryne's Man of Steel is going to be the inspiration for the reboot. Which, all in all, is what all of us wanted in the first place. The thing is though; why Brainiac? Is that WB's doing? I know they wanted Brainiac since Superman V (Trivia: Brainiac was going to be in Superman III), but when I think of Bryne's Superman and the Rogue's Gallery, I think of what he did with the ones that made the difference which were: Lex Luthor, Metallo, Bizarro, and...Darkseid. And some of us want Darkseid, and that's who comes to mind when you think of Bryne's Superman. Brainiac was there, but what Bryne did to him wasn't that impressive and big deal compared to the others. So, if we're going to get Bryne's Superman; why Brainiac insteads of someone like Darkseid, or Darkseid?

Is there an embarago coming up invovling Darkseid? Is he really goig to appear on Smallville? Is that why? That's sorta a mixed bag. On one hand; we'll get him. On the other hand; why say no to one and favor the other?

....why Brainiac?
 
who really knows why they would go with one villain over another. if its brainaic and lex as the latino review story was a few months ago. It was probably goyer's choice on villains he thought would be a good starting off point.
 
Lois & Clark pilot episode was more character driven than any of the films and left out the origin. I felt the characters were better developed and likable in that 2 hr time frame than in any other version of the property. not having an origin doesn't impact the quality of the characters as long as we're given a practical "jumping on point" as an audience, ie his first day at the planet or in the story above he's been superman for a few months, something like that.

I hope the next movie at least shows us Clark's first day at the DP. Krypton I could do without, though if Brainiac is the villain I expect we'll see the planet in flashbacks at least.
 
yea i know for me i really do want the film to at least open with clark's first day at the planet or like i said at least his first public reveal as superman. Then if we are to see anything of krypton or smallville life to be sprinkled in there throughout the film and all that.
 
I hope the next movie at least shows us Clark's first day at the DP. Krypton I could do without, though if Brainiac is the villain I expect we'll see the planet in flashbacks at least.


Yeah definietly, Rachel. Regardless if it's an established Superman we need a point of reference to begin our story with. I even thought about starting the film with a dramatic scene of superman's first public save, then it becomes news footage with the Newscaster reflecting on what life has been like over the past year since superman arrived.

the movie then would take place on the one year anniversary of his arrival, you could show a lot of flash backs and peoples reflections on superman. sometthing along those lines could work.

That or his first day at the DP.
 
I say that instead of an origin, we can definitely just get his first day at the Daily Planet, and then like 15-25 minutes in, his first public Superman appearance.
 
Funny thing, I usually love the idea of starting in medias res and just skipping the whole origin story with most superhero adaptations because the origin is usually the most boring part, especially if you're actually familiar with the character. Batman, Spider-man, Hulk, you name it, I've got no problem starting with their origins out of the way, but oddly enough, I think the one and only exception I have to that principle is Superman. I never get tired of seeing new takes on his origin, because I honestly think it's probably the coolest origin story of any superhero out there. It really is an epic unto itself that ends in the death of an entire world and culture, and begins the story of a great champion.
 

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