RockyBatboa
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Oh, i know. I'm just trying to be polite.
The anal fanboys do irritate me though. It's clear to me that most would rather still have juvenile arguments over "who wins, Hulk or Thor" than to see theese characters progress and be rejuvenated in the progress.
Oh yeah! Most fans get ASBAR ALL wrong. They stop and focus on the irregular and shifty moments, failing to reallize how strong the subtext and resonance of the characters and story truly are.
I've been a fan of the series since day one. But, sadly, that seems to be both of our manin complaints for this series, b/c day one was 4 YEARS AGO, and still only ten issues have come out?? That's like 2.5 a year!?
To top it off, at the recent Didio Q/A, he said the Miller and Lee are currently working on more issues, and the series will restart this year in the fall-that they'll be ten more issues, and then the series will end. WTF? This series is consistently a top 3 selling book on the charts! Would it kill DC to creatively change to , let's say, Neil Gaiman and Neal Adams when Miller and Lee are done??
Ther're just giving up on the whole ALL STAR line, then? Makes NO sense!
Hey, same here, man! I started reading the the batbooks in 91/92, when i was about 11/12 years old. I remember Moench on Batman, Dixon and Nolan on Detective. Then they got Jones on Batman doing "KnighFall" covers, and in the mid-nineties, he was the reg. artist. Then there was Grant on "Shadow..." and Breyfogle as artist, but if i'm not mistaken, he only stated on for about a year.
Breyfogle and Jones are my two favorite artists from that period. I know a lot of other fans here favor Norm, But Kelly Jones always get's hate-i never understood why. Probably b/c the fans never quite got his approach-he was being more metaphorically poetic in his style, really, and i really dug that approach, esp. for Bats.
My bad. The "Batgirl" oneshot i mentioned in the last post that comes out this june is actually a trade paperback, collecting the last miniseries with the Cassandra Cain Batgirl.
Still havent found where a new "Batgirl" monthly has been confirmed. To be honest, i'm middle of the road on this anyway. I didnt like it too much when Winnick resurrected Todd, and i dont like the idea of Barbara miraculously walking again. Those are the ONE changes i dont like-when characters who never had superpowers get killed, and then later get brought back. There has to be some reality in theese books.
If there is a new "Batgirl" series, i think it'll be someone new. Either someone related to Kathy Kane/Batwoman, or maybe even the Spoiler. (another case of resurrection
)See, that's where DC failed up-that was the opportunity to do a classic Barbara Gordon/Batgirl series, and with Johns and Jones as the creative team, it could have totally clicked.
Just checked dccomics.com again, and it looks like it's just a one shot:
The Network, which features Huntress, Manhunter, Spoiler, Batgirl (Cassandra) and Ragman.
There's quite a few more specials comming out theese next few months parallel to "Battle for the Cowl" in cluding Oracle, Azrael, Gotham Gazette, ct. Something tells me DC is using theese to pitch possible new series, depending on sales of the oneshots and miniseries.
Since i dont think Barbara is the new Batgirl, but i do think she'll get her own monthly, either still as Oracle or something else, and this "Oracle:The Cure" is a bridge to that.
This definitely is the popular opinion out there, but i'm just not buying it. I think a lot of red-herrings have been thrown out there.
I'll reference Winnicks run on "Batman" a few years back-when Wayne and Todd had their fight, Todd said he was going to become the Batman Wayne should have become.
Dick has never shown interest in replacing Bruce, and is always the one to think Wayne is innocent , right, can never be defeated, plus Dick Being Red Robin ties in w/ "Kingdom Come", and dc has mentioned interest in them making more parallels to this story.
However, just recently, i started thinking it might even be more complex than that.
I'm now almost certain that in the new books, there are TWO Batmen
Jason Todd is going to be the Batman IN "Batman" and "Streets of Gotham", and Dick is indeed the Batman in Morrison's "Batman and Robin" with Damion. But here's the startler-i think Dick is also "Red Robin". So , on one end, you have Grayson taking Wayne's place with Damion in two, but also off as Red Robin, searching for bruce.
....however, that could be complicated, continuity-wise, i know. I'm just not buying that Drake is "Red Robin". I think That Nightwing back when grayson first became that, was always meant by DC to be the next big gun, superhero wise, to be in the same league as Batman, Superman, Flash, ect.-and let's face it, that never happened. Despite all of the Nightwing, dick being a solo hero thing, it always came back to his relationship with bruce. Even when the "Nightwing" series started in the mid-90's, so many times it regressed to Dick trying to separate himself from his mentor. That's why i never really got into the Nightwing monthly, ever, b/c i couldnt help buy always think, "Sheesh, shouldnt he be his own man by now!"
So, personally, i think the "Nightwing" alter ego is dead, and that it isnt comming back. With Wayne presumably dead, but Grayson unable to accept that, he's regressed back into his Robin identity as "Red Robin".
As for Tim Drake, i think DC is trying to do what they did w/ Grayson becomming Nightwing in the early eighties. Drake is now about 18, and he's basically moving on into something else.
I think most fans have already accepted that Damion is the new Robin, and that even after Bruce Wayne returns as Batman, Damion will still be Robin. And i agree w/ it-it feels right. Biological father and son as B and R, Damion is younger , about 12, so it's returning to that classic feel of a really young Robin, but w/ Damion's "League" training making him very capable, more so than Robin's past. Plus he has the darker side, which may be muted somewhat years from now.
As for Jason Being Batman, i also read somewhere that in the new Books, Batman is more a villian than a hero, as Wayne was. (shades of "Knighfall", i know) still, i'm interested. And that fits more with Todd, than with Grayson.
Must confess that i've missed it so far. As i said, i've been away from comic books for awhile, but i've had a lot of people recommend it, so i will be putting it on my to get list when i get back to the shop in the next few weeks.
