No I definitely didn't expect a space entity in this film, but the X2 explanation was better....her powers were evolving, and she was becoming corrupted by her new powers.
That's just not very realistic. Power corrupts, but only when subconscious desires (I think it's the "ego" part of our basic drive) take over. There has to be a REASON Jean decides to turn evil. She was a good woman in X-MEN and X2. Good people don't just TURN EVIL because they die and come back to life.
In X3, when Prof X was explaining it to Logan, it seemed kind of comical "She had two personalities....Jean Grey...and another personality which called itself Phoenix." I laughed a little, and someone let out a groan.
Well, you have to have a reason why "Jean went evil". It makes sense, in a large way.
According to you and your explanation, but you are hardly in a position to state whether or not your logic almost perfectly fits someone else's ideas (especially considering the explanation of their ideas has never been expressed).
Show me how it doesn't fit, and I'll retract my statement.
Afterall, you had to come up with your own metaphor for Cyclops representing power and the power that Phoenix could have.
I thought the scene with Cyclops firing into the lake made the meaning of it pretty clear. But then, "show, don't tell" doesn't always work so well, does it?
Who is to say that matches up to the writer's own ideas . . . or anyone elses for that matter. The fact that you had to come up with your own metaphors speaks otherwise to the fact that the explanation was resolute and clear
Does that make my explanation any less valid? Make it fit into both explanations (X-MEN and X2, and X3's take) any less?
There are over 100 posts concerning people's different reconciliations of Jean's explanation.
True. And they're all based on the same aspects. Evolution, and a split personality who couldn't control the power brought on by evolution. Which is what we see in the film.
"You have great power, Jean. The question is, will you control it? Or will you let it control you?"
If the explanation clearly works, then debate and questioning wouldn't be necessary. That is, if it was explained well enough and made understandable sense to everyone, shouldn't there be no debating it at all
If an explanation works well, there should be little confusion.
There shouldn't be much confusion. What, did you expect Xavier to bring up the machine? He wasn't there, or even conscious for that. How would he know?
Since the explanation given in X3 absolutely allows for the events of X3. Assuming most audiences even remembered or realized the impact Magneto's machine was supposed to have had on Jean.
If the movie's explanation worked so well there would be no need for you to write a page length post about how you are able to come up with your own explantation about what you thought the writers meant.
It's not what I thought they meant. It's what is clearly implied in the film. I made up how it connects to X-MEN and X2, but neither of those is negated by how her turn is explained in X3.
. . . which is why I don't think it works too well for anyone not overly familiar with the X-Men comics, or the Phoenix arc. This movie is made for people other than us fans, who are willing to debate bizarre issues endlessly. I think that if the explanation was well done, everyone should be able to grasp it and not have so many lingering questions and confusion as to how it works or what it meant.
Since the average movie fan doesn't care...and probably accepted the explanation at face value...
