That, was an excellent post. And now I understand what you were trying to say. I really didn't believe that you had anything...but that makes sense. So I apologize for getting so angry. I thought you were ignoring me.
You're saying that an opinion is separate from a general greatness. But you
still have not established how SR does not fit into that greatness especially since you claim that it is not about money, popularity, or status of a company.
To answer your question (even though you still have not answered mine), I would not make a statement to say that one game is the best game of all time. I think that would be the difference between us from the get-go.
Survival Horror: I like Resident Evil, sure there are better made games or whatever but that's one I like. Wouldn't say it was the best EVER because it would contradict other "best evers" in that sense.
Sports: I hate sports games because I'm not fat or 30. I can go outside and play a sport I like.
Racing: Never got into them, but I hear Forza, Grand Turismo and NFS are good ones..
Fighting: I've always liked Street Fighter series...over all other fighters. But again I wouldn't say it was the best fighting game ever. In fact, I have a LOT of problems with Capcom. (And you know what they are, Capcom!! I know you got those letters! Damn bastards..)
And so on....I like different series and I like different games. Yes, Da Vinci is amazing and art is art. BUT just as you said above "What you like is subjective, that's why it's what you like."
YOU like certain things that you deem are
classic. Just as
you are being highly arrogant to say that others have to accept your view or else they're ignorant or unaware or whatever.
To Kill a Mockingbird was great because of popularity, it became famous. There are several other books from the era that display lifestyles of the time and speak about the harshness of the depression, while telling a coherent storyline.
Of mice and men is one of my favorite books "of all time" and...well that book is just amazing. That and
All Quiet on the Western Front. But I digress.
To summarize the point of this post:
The best way to describe art forms is to use music as an example. People talk about Van Halen and White Snake and other bands by calling them "classic", and sure they may have inspired many but so did Britney Spears. She is not and should never be "classic" or "art" but to many worldwide she is.
Shakespeare, Mary Shelley, H.P. Lovecraft, Shel Silverstein, Tim O'Brien, etc..They should all be under the "you should read this" categorey. But as you said "Greatness is not subjective".
You're right. No it's not but what an individual deems as great
is. Your individual, or even group views, have no bearing on the overall reality.
I could have summarized this entire thread by using one word. "Religion".
Many different group and individual views do not change or make what has to be your views. And thus it is with great games, great music, great art.
Just because your teacher told you that TKaM and OMaM are great does not mean they are. And you're just plain wrong. It does NOT mean that the person does not understand literature. Or anything is wrong with them.
I don't like Godfather, I don't see how it could be a good film. I understand films and film making just as much as you do or more. You are not elite or better because you like something that 10,000 others do too. If anything it just makes you a conformist.
I've met so many like you too...
"Dude Metallica is awesome!"
No, no they aren't I only like about 2 or 3 of there songs if that many. I think the third one isn't even them...Eh. I like Fall Out Boy better.
"FOB?! Pfft dude, you're gay! You don't understand what music is about. Metallica like created rock man!"
No they didn't. There are just as many musicians that didn't listen to them as ones who did. As influencial as they may be, they are just people with ideas.
"Metallica IS music, if you don't like metallica..."
If I don't like Metallica, then I don't like Metallica. That's it. I have no lesser understanding of music because I disagree with you
(Which again makes it funny that you tried to say I'm insulting you because I disagree..Who's the one who supposedly is ignorant? Oh right you said that was me because I disagree with stuff YOU like and Stuff YOU deem as classic...)
Man, it'd be great if you weren't such an elitist conformist. We can't even have makeup sex after an argument like this. Can we just agree to disagree? I don't really feel like trying to get you to open your eyes (nor do I think I can in the mere confines of text and interwebs) and you probably feel the same way from your side.
Hey at least, you've given me a reason to have a lot of respect for you...
t:
) and 2001 are, then you don't understand what makes a well crafted film. What you like is subjective, that's why it's what you like. But, you can not like Godfather and still see why it's a fantastic film.
