The Marvel Heroes Battle Thread - Part 1

[WolfCypher]

Steve

 

[Blake II]

Captain.

If Hawkeye can win with a lucky arrow but remember that Captain America is at the peak of human condition so superhuman reflexes > good reflexes. He'll dodge the arrows and knock the Hawk when he's caught off guard. It won't be a fast fight though that's for sure.

 

[steintym]

Captain America

 

[PemLam]

The only way Hawkeye wins is if Cap loses both eyes by a lucky ricochet (ala A Christmas Story).

Cap

 

[CanaryFan]

Captain.

If Hawkeye can win with a lucky arrow but remember that Captain America is at the peak of human condition so superhuman reflexes > good reflexes. He'll dodge the arrows and knock the Hawk when he's caught off guard. It won't be a fast fight though that's for sure.

In what fantasy world do peak humans have superhuman reflexes? He has peak human reflexes and hawkeye has the same or damn close to it. No human is dodging arrows except at extremly long range. Cap has his sheild and strategic knowledge but if he uses the shield offensively he has no protection and no chance of dodging arrows from the shorter distance he can throw the shield from. With Hawkeye's deadly aim, trick shots and trick arrows the only real chance Cap has is to lead the fight someplace with lots of obstacles and cover and then try to work his way up to Clint and make it hand to hand. Clint on the other hand isn't the brightest and is really cocky so he might follow Cap into that area but there isn't any real reason why he should stay in the open and find high ground to give him the angles he needs. It could go either way depending on how dumb Clint is being that day. I'm voting Hawkeye because of the one sided voting.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Hawkeye, he has trick arrows as well as normal. Explosive arrows wouldn't even need to hit. All they would have to do is hit close enough for the blast wave to take effect. Cap's shield isn't big enough to protect him from that.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

5-2 Cap so far

 

[Duke]

No question, CAP!!!

 

[Anubis]

Hawkeye, he has trick arrows as well as normal. Explosive arrows wouldn't even need to hit. All they would have to do is hit close enough for the blast wave to take effect. Cap's shield isn't big enough to protect him from that.

Sure it is. Guy has survived a death ray and impact from Effin' King Thor.

Cap by the by.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Sure it is. Guy has survived a death ray and impact from Effin' King Thor.

Cap by the by.

Cap is 6'2" and the shield is 2'6" in diameter. That leaves 3'8" of Cap unprotected against a shockwave that will hit all portions of his body simultaneously.

 

[Anubis]

As if physics has any standing in a comic book reality.

 

[random_havoc]

One of my favorite Avengers comics:

http://marvel.wikia.com/Avengers:_West_Coast_Vol_1_69

And this wasn't even Steve Rogers cap, this was US Agent when he was Cap. But still in a fight he whoops the crap outta Hawkeye, leaving him unconscious and his face all battered, because he's JUST A GUY WITH A BOW AND ARROWS!

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

, because he's JUST A GUY WITH A BOW AND ARROWS!

And Cap's just a guy with a shield. Yeah yeah, super soldier, peak human, blah,blah. Every street level hero out there is peak human or damn close to it or they wouldn't last that long. Cap just cheated to get that way.

Sometimes I think people forget the point of these threads. Almost every battle has happened in the comics at one time or another. The winner, when there is one, is usually decided by the plot and doesn't always reflect the powers, skills and type of fighter they are or what the majority of readers think would really happen, These threads are your chance to set the record straight. Sure use the comics to say this guy has this power or that guy usually fights like this and then decide for your self who should win. Coming in here with so and so already beat him in issue# blah blah blah defeats the whole purpose of these threads. We might as well not even have them any more.

7-2 Cap.

 

[Anubis]

....there may be something to that line of thinking.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

DAREDEVIL vs TASKMASTER



VS

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[random_havoc]

Coming in here with so and so already beat him in issue# blah blah blah defeats the whole purpose of these threads. We might as well not even have them any more.

So, just ignore all the things the comics show the characters do, or just the parts you don't like having referenced? Who the character has defeated is part of the feats they've accomplished. If you think a particular fight referenced is invalid then you explain why, but all we have to go on with who would win is what they've done in the comics, so saying that shouldn't be referenced is what would really make these fight threads pointless.

Taskmaster btw. DD's radar sense wouldn't give any real advantage and Taskmaster should be able to out do him in fighting abilities.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Taskmaster

 

[Duke]

FTW

 

[WolfCypher]

Excellent match! I will say Taskmaster.

 

[CanaryFan]

This is a perfect example of what was just discussed. Taskmaster is a character created by geek writers that have never been in a fight in there lives. They tried to come up with a really cool power that would give him a huge edge against most fighters but his power or ability to mimic all other fighters really wouldn't do him much good at all. Heroes aren't thew aggressor or the attacker. They are the responder, the defender, the counter fighter. Sure there are ways to try and bait the counter fighter but they hardly ever work because good counter fighters have good timing. They wait till you commit to your attack and hit you before you can finish your move or close the opening you created. Daredevil is the ultimate counter fighter. He waits for you to move to pick you up on his radar, he feels the air moving when you swing at him, he hears the changes in your breathing and tightening in your tendons when you're getting ready to move so that even the best fighters telegraphing their every move to him. Anyone who knows anything about fighting knows that Daredevils powers and abilities would leave Taskmaster and his abilities looking like a helpless kitten despite what's usually written when this character comes into play.

Daredevil

 

[Anubis]

Daredevil

Tasky hasn't really defeated much of anybody when you get right down to it. He can Ape DD, Spidey, Cap, etc, but he ain't them.

 

[steintym]

Daredevil

 

[PemLam]

Taskmaster

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

So, just ignore all the things the comics show the characters do, or just the parts you don't like having referenced? Who the character has defeated is part of the feats they've accomplished. If you think a particular fight referenced is invalid then you explain why, but all we have to go on with who would win is what they've done in the comics, so saying that shouldn't be referenced is what would really make these fight threads pointless.

I didn't tell you to ignore anything, I asked you to think for yourself. If you read some of these battles it's obvious the outcome was plot point driven and that even the writers didn't think it could ever turn out that way without them contriving something to give them the result they wanted. Additionally showing that someone won a fight doesn't mean they never fought another time with different results or that even if they haven't that it would always turn out that way.

 

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'll break the tie and give it to Daredevil. 5-4