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I like the movie despite the horrible acting from George Clooney. I love the Bane in this movie even though he's only a lumbering brute & I absolutely love Arnold's Mr. Freeze & Chris O'Donnell's Robin. I'm glad he actually came back to portray Robin & I'm glad we at least got Bane, even though he was just a lumbering brute.
I recently discovered that some of my friends have NOT seen this movie, and they are comic book fans. My mind is kind of blown. I will need to plan a Batman & Robin night or something, because I'd love to see their reactions to everything.
My fondest memory of B&R, though? The Pop Tarts. The Mr. Freeze ones were my favorite, but all of them were delicious. I ate soooo many Pop Tarts that Summer. t:
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This film may be weird and odd, but it doesn't have batmobile sized plot holes, the characters have arcs, the relationship between Bruce and Alfred is very good, mr. freeze has the Nora story, his character has a redemption, batman reasons with the villain, appealing to his better nature, which plays into his arc about asking and accepting help.
God bless everyone!
I don't see how.You're right. It has BatBus sized plot holes.
You're right. It has BatBus sized plot holes.
I think offering them some context would help here. Possibly showing Batman Forever first. I wouldn't necessarily put it in a bad light either. Just let the film come to them and see what they think. I would be curious to know what they think. This would be a good case study to see how a new age sees the film without any negative press to it.
That makes sense. I just don't want to sit through Batman Forever with them, though. I find it less watchable than B&R because it's not an enjoyable trainwreck (if that makes any sense). It's not good enough to be a decent film, but it's not bad enough to be a "so bad it's good" film. B&R is "so bad it's good," in my opinion.
What's funny is that my friends and I are "80's kids." A few years ago, I "forced" them to watch the '89 Batman because they had never seen it before. It blows my mind; if you're an 80's kid, then you should remember that '89 bat symbol everywhere! I was only 3 years-old when Batman '89 came out, but I remember that Summer vividly. I can't fathom not having seen that movie if you were alive at the time! Haha.
Man, while I'm at it, I think I need to get my friends to watch Batman Returns as well. Crazy! A lot of my friends didn't really get into comic books or comic book movies until Nolan Batman and the MCU.
I want to see this movie again very soon I know I've said it before, but I just can't hate it...it was the best Batman movie ever when I was nine years old. I loved Batman 1989 (still do) and Batman Returns (not so much today), but this movie was bigger and much more fun (I saw Batman Forever after B&R. Read the comic adaptation first, though).
The stunts were cooler, Batman acted more like a hero, Gotham City wasn't as claustrophobic, the villain didn't just threaten Gotham, but the entire world...
I didn't even know it was considered a bad movie until I got an internet connection back in 2001. "Oh, it's a bad movie? The critics and true fans hate it? Well, I guess they're right...". But now I don't give a crap, it's not a masterpiece, but it's still "damn good television". I've said it many times, but I'll say it again: I think many people hate it just because it's popular.
I really miss those days when we had comic book movies like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. Uncomplicated stories about goodguys in costumes who punched badguys in the butt (kicking butt is so 2015).
Don't get me wrong, I love The Dark Knight trilogy, Winter Soldier and all that stuff, but come on...now matter how much real world stuff and politics you bring into a superhero story, it's still about grown men in weird costumes with names like Moose-Man, Purple Spatula and The Mantastic Man-Man. Let's have some fun with it.
What's crap about it? Nothing really. It's just stuff that is silly ridiculous and things some people don't like. It's fine, not great, but fine.Fair enough. I accept this movie as the crap as it is, because well it is. But I don't get up in arms, hold up my crucifix and curse this film like most. I've gotten to an age where I don't give a crap and it's in the past. Then realizing the history in how it was a rushed product, the film took all the idea from toy designers instead of filmmakers. Meanwhile Schumacher was smart enough to borrow TAS Mr. Freeze but failed in directing Clooney on playing Batman. I actually enjoy it as a bad B movie piece of crap for shameless entertainment. I enjoy it more than that piece of crap Batman Returns. At least B&R resembled a plot and knew what it wanted to do (sell toys, not a noble goal but at least it had one) where Returns is well... I have no god awful idea.
I don't mind Clooney as Bruce Wayne, and although I HATE puns I can't help but enjoy all those horrible ice puns recited by the Austrian beefcake Governator. Also I'm a fan of John Glover and love his over the top performance.
I enjoy it more than that piece of crap Batman Returns. At least B&R resembled a plot and knew what it wanted to do (sell toys, not a noble goal but at least it had one) where Returns is well... I have no god awful idea.