I HATE THAT!! Why can't a bad guy just be a bad guy. Enough with the giving them a motive. Some villains just want to be that....villains.
Why can't you have both, some bad guys who are evil and some who are sympathetic? Why does it have to be either or. I'm just saying there are almost no sympathetic UU and so the villains come across as being too similar to each other.
Again, Magneto has been put in the Hitler role here, not the Malcolm X role. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean it's automatically bad storytelling or characterizing no matter how many times you name-call it that.
Yeah it is my opinion, that's the point, that's what these discussions are about expressing our opinions and in opinion Ultimate Magneto is not very compelling and is very dull.
I don't find the UXM universe very morally complex, if Magneto is just a mustache twirling villain. Sure Ultimate Xavier is a gray character, but put him next to Ultimate Magneto he looks like a saint, its not very complex.
616 Magneto is far more interesting because you can make contrasts against other characters very well, like the X-Men because they want the same thing, but they have different methods of achieving it. You can also contrast Magneto against other more evil villains like Sinister, Apocalypse and even the Red Skull.
With ultimate Magneto you don't get these character contrasts.
Frankly the with the 616 universe you get a way better balance between evil and sympathetic villains, because I think of lots of evil and lots of sympathetic villains in the 616 universe. There is very little differences in morality between the UU villains, so they come across as a pretty similar and dull bunch.
This is only YOUR TASTE. A number of people even just on this board have already disagreed with you and stated that they liked the characters and characterization.
If Sam Raimi has your attitude then I'm not at all surprised by the fact that he's ruined the Spidey movies by having virtually every villain be not really responsible for their actions (ie, Goblin only murderous because of chemicals making him nuts, Doc Ock only because of computer chips controlling him, Sandman cuz of sick kid). Next movie will focus on Cletus Kassidy, the poor but hopeful Sunday School teacher who gets turned into a murderous psychopath against his will by the evil symbiote.
And I know lots of people who agree with me, what's your point. Plus I lot of people I know liked the take on Dr. Octopus in the movies, so what's your point about that?
I don't see how Gobby was sympathetic in the films, he was a total jerk in the movies before he even took the chemicals, so I don't see how he was supposed to be sympathetic. You would need a wider definition of sympathetic to apply that to Gobby. Plus how was Venom sympathetic in the movies? There you go, some unsympathetic villains.
Also Carnage shouldn't be in a Spidey movie at all, because he sucks, hard. He some over the top "kewl" "extreme" 90s villain, who doesn't even fit in with Spider-Man's title, its stupid. He's so 90s and so unintersting.
Besides I think there more unsympathetic villains in comic book movies in general then sympathetic ones, example: Both versions of the Joker, Scarecrow, Bullseye, Kingpin, Dr. Doom, Venom, Green Goblin, Iron Monger, Abomination, David Banner, William Stryker, Sabertooth, Lex Luthor and General Zod. So overall in the comic book movies you get a pretty good balance of sympathetic and non sympathetic villains
That's more examples of unsympathetic villains then sympathetic ones.
See you are putting word in my mouth, I don't want all sympathetic villains, but I don't want all unsympathetic villains either, I a want balance between the two types, what is so wrong with that?
Do you think it was wrong for Paul Dini to turn Mr. Freeze into a sympathetic villain or Geoff Johns to turn Captain Cold into a sympathetic villain or for Chris Claremont to turn Magneto into a sympathetic character back in the 70s? Is it always a bad thing to try and make a villain sympathetic?
Besides there many examples of a writer making a villain unsympathetic that haven;t worked either, I haven't seen many people liked it when they made dr. Light into a rapist, so clearly you can also screw up when trying to make a evil villain, so what does that tell you? Its all in the execution, that's what makes either an evil or sympathetic villain work or not work, that doesn't mean they can't work.