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Cool. Hopefully it's not too rushed.
I know this and have problems with those changes. but as Doc Ock he was spot on, at least.Back up and follow what I was saying in previous posts. I said they made changes to Doom and it didn't work. The changes to Doctor Octopus were made at the front end, the Otto Octavius character. He was a social outcast, shunned by his colleagues and never worked for the greater good.
But when he was bad guy Doc Ock he acted perfectly. The changes that made him good, I do have a problem with. My point is that even Doom's more Doom-like moments in the films weren't good enough, whilst Doc Ock's were.True enough, the realization of the villain Doctor Octopus was very successful, far more so than in the comics IMO , where he ended up being Aunt May's suitor at one point. You are forgetting one big difference. At the very end, the Doctor Octopus persona is supplanted by the "crusader" Otto Octavious who altruistically sacrifices himself to stop the whatchamacallit from destroying the city. I doubt if you can find any similar act of heroism on his part in the comics... Reed had to tussle with him all over NYC to get him to agree to see if he could help Sue when she was miscarrying.
By stealing Reed's ideas? Doom would never do that.At least the second film shows that he does have some science/engineering skills somewhat on par with Reed's.
I didn't. It was so obviously their way of showing how 'evil' the character was. It felt forced and I didn't like it. In character, maybe, but I felt the execution was horrible.And I did like the scene where he wacked the guy getting the mask loose t:
There are some subtle hints of Doom's true character in the movie but my main point is that despite these similarities movie Doom is far too removed from comic Doom. Not onbly are the changes unnecessary, but it created an inferior character.Probably the most Doom-like scene was showing him keeping tabs on global events with sophicated spy satellite hookups and tapping into other transmissions. Now that was very much like the Kirby scene in FF #86
I said personality as a villain. When he was bad guy Ock, he was exactly right.Agreed that he was a convincing threat but as to the part about getting the personality, I disagree. Doctor Octopus in the comics doesn't have this Jekyll and Hyde personality we see in Spider-Man 2 where he only does bad things when the tentacles are in control.
Ultimate Doom is still a far better character than movie Doom, and if I remember wasn't the idea of Doom having metal skin cooked up way before the Ultimate line even started?I've also noted this many times about the first film... you have to factor in Marvel's (read: Avi Arad again) insistence on using a bit more of the Ultimate version of Doom than the Lee/Kirby version. If you ask me, the new regime in Marvel has been itching for the Ultimate universe to eventually supplant the classic Marvel MU. I would agree that they had no intention of bringing classic Doom to the first film, especially after listening to the DVD commentary track.
I believe those improvements weren't made with the characters interest in mind, but to appease us. They threw small references to the comics in there and thought that would make everyone happy. They didn't realise they also had to write a good villain as well.They did some damage control in the second film but with the Surfer being played up plus your four core cast members, there was really not enough attention paid to fully realizing Doom as a villain. We will just have to disagree as to what level of success they had in what reparations they did make. It was a definite improvement over FF1 IMO and you're right.... it shouldn't have to take 3 films to do it.
I agree. It's all about the tone. The FF in a realistic setting is an awful idea because they are cartoony by nature. Anything can work if you set it in the correct tone.If one were to be honest about it, it would take some clever writing to explain Doom's penchant for wearing medieval styled armor in a modern day world. This is one of the reasons why I wished they had gone with Peyton Reed's retro take on the FF. The FF movies place the FF in a very contemporary world and don't use elaborate sets, with a lot of the action taking place in broad daylight on the streets of Vancouver standing in for New York. I don't think the traditional Doom would come across very well in that setting. He's better suited for the highly stylized sets of say, the first Batman or the frequently gloomy world of Harry Potter films.
2005 no doubt.
Could anyone make some screencaps of the 2007 incarnation of Doom? I would like to gleam some of the detail of his armor.
Post # 1306 has a pretty good screen capture of the 07 Dr. Doom.
I watched the second F4 movie & I have to say, Julian McMahon did a great job as Dr. Doom. I don't care what anyone says, he really stepped his game up for the second movie & if there's a third movie, you can bet your asses that he's going to improve even more.
Old news Carp......lol Nor did they give any source whatsoever......thats why not much was taken from it back in June.
Yes,....I know. Wrong thread, wrong forum. But no one ever reads the comics forum down there. Just read about this. FF going bi-lingual
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22420978/
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. NO. We did not see enough of Victor as Doom to get a real indication. He did good as Victor. Whether he stepped up as Doom, you couldn't tell, because the ending was over so fast. The ending of the 1st was much better. I don't think we will see Victor, or Doom in 3. I think the bloom is off that rose.
I think they said Moviehole. And I like old news, especially when I missed it the 1st time. t: I don't think there is much doubt there will be a 3. Just to keep the rights if nothing else. This board is dead. Just trying to generate a little conversation.
Carpman,
Long time no talk to. What ever happened to TheAlbafan?