Originally Posted by
The Sage
Well...
I agree with Londo Mollari. Triple H teased retirement after the last time he faced Lesnar. For WWE to use that idea AGAIN shows they are trying to create doubt and sympathy and get the fans behind him. But nobody is going to buy that he might lose and if he does that he will stay retired. Its silly. Just leave it the grudge match that it is. Heyman knows how to get heat so let him and Lesnar do it.
They've done a terrible job making it believable. Triple H just needs to cut the retirement stuff out until he actually decides to do it. Michaels didn't tease it that often until he finally did it.
Originally Posted by The Sage
- The Divas match at WrestleMania 29 may end up being eight-Divas action The Bella Twins, Layla and Tamina Snuka vs. Kaitlyn, Cameron, Naomi and TV personality Maria Menounos.
I like Maria a lot and respect her fandom and talent but...why the hell is she involved in this? She's on tv but not in a big enough way to make any real difference with the buyrate. This is one time I'd totally agree with Divas who might be pissed. She's taking a spot with no real thing to offer. The most she should be doing is accompanying the face Divas to the ring and standing in their corner. It has the same effect Vince seems to think will happen.
This is a prime example of what people are talking about when they discuss Vince's desperate desire for mainstream attention.
Originally Posted by the_ultimate_evil
i want a heel turn by orton but i fear it could end up with him leading the shield and that would suck hard
Yeah and we all remember what happened the last time Orton led a group. Triple H got the itch to be a one many DX army and fight em all.
The problem with Orton leading the Shield is that right now he needs them far FAR more than they need him. They are hotter properties right now and the talk of fans. Orton hasn't really been a big deal or even relevant in a while. Making them play second fiddle to him would be a disservice. The only thing he could offer is a star power face for the group and he doesn't really even have that anymore. The three Shield members create more buzz than he does whenever they appear.
Ortons also not a militant. I don't see how he would fit that groups style and aesthetic.
Originally Posted by UnionJack
Del Rio is not getting over at all, no matter how much Vince wants a Latin star to cash in on that poor market.
Sheamus might be slightly over but the guy is dull, just a pale HHH with not as much charisma.
Nobody buys his
"fighter for the people and their equality" act. And his
"charismatic" facade is just that---nothing more than a facade. Good wrestler but where's the real magnetism? The charm? It seems like in some ways some saw him as a latin Rock but Rock has all those things. Del Rio doesn't. It came naturally to him. Not to Del Rio. The parody Del Rio did of Swagger was so f***ing stiff. Stiffer and more boring than the REAL Jack Swagger when it was supposed to be funny. Ricardo was much better.
Del Rio should be a heel. An arrogant superior minded heel at that. Only booked much better than he was. But then
AND now Ricardo knew how to deliver the gagga far better. He only highlights how lacking Del Rio is in the character department.
Originally Posted by UnionJack
With a 3 hour show why don't the Divas get anytime to get a story or promos going.
TNA give the Knockouts alot of time.
I feel sorry for my love Kaitlyn since she has being champ she's done nothing, we get the wooden Layla doing this awful in awe of the belt shtick and Tamina somehow getting a shot. Now we have the Bellas back, while looking nice aren't that great.
If your not gonna use your women on the primary show why have them at all, as filler for Smackdown or the other 4 or 5 filler shows.
They have a few talented women....enough to do something. But the division is an afterthought. The terrible booking and lack of time and storylines just make the problems worse. They don't need a few mediocre divas back they need more quality creative work put into the ones that are there.
There are only a few real reason the Divas division is even still around:
1. PC driven gender equality. Looks good for WWE's image.
2. Bland watered down eye candy to beak up the monotony of half naked men for three hours.
3. For promotion and publicity reasons. Sometimes it looks good to have variety and women can be more charming and appealing than only all guys.
4. Road p***y for the boys.
As actual entertainment tools with a real niche and purpose in helping the overall tv/ppv product? They don't matter to WWE.
Originally Posted by
Lobo
The few small things that blast this off into the epically hilarious-sphere for me:
The fact that he went out of his way to get the Divas title. I can just imagine him pedigreeing Kaitlyn and then holding the belt like his first born.
He has TWO WWE titles. LOL! I guess the other one is from when Punk and Cena were both champion.
He has the Million Dollar belt aka the less guady forerunner to the spinner.
He's so obsessed he's bothering to carry the title of the now defunt wwECW even though it doesn't even matter. Same with the Hardcore title. He probably loves walking around with the ECDub belt just to piss off Heyman.
He either somehow stole the X Division title or snuck into TNA (possibly disguised as Boddy Roode) and cheated to win the belt. Since its HHH of course he cheated.
I must see this happen in real life. Its so damn funny I wouldn't even hate on HHH like usual.
Originally Posted by LuisTX85
I was thinking..
With the whole PG direction and family friendly focus I'm surprised WWE hasn't launched a new cartoon show on a network like Cartoon Network,Kids would eat it up and even though I'm already 27 years old I'd check it out depending on the style.
I really think an animation show based on the WWE Heroes Comics with it's art style or Clone Wars or at least something like Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes would be cool&could work,Rey Mysterio as a super hero when not wrestling/Undertaker&Kane actually being demon sorcerers/Triple H being a Conan the Barbarian type of warrior king/etc is indeed ridiculous and it's their characters turned on full blast But the wrestling aspect is still there and so there would be plenty of wrestling action each episode.
Would likely just last a season or two But still I'd like it given a try,I'm likely one of the very few fans of the comics But still lol
I've wondered about this myself. With Cena as the face of the company and their push with a show like SMS I'm almost shocked that they've never bothered to do a new WWE cartoon in the vein of
"Hulk Hogan's Rock'N'Wrestling." Maybe if the WWE meets Scooby Doo animated film does well and they finally get the WWE network off the ground they might consider it.
Originally Posted by SpideyVille
This actually brings me to an interesting question that I could've sworn I heard debated before by some former wrestlers, but where would people rank Triple H and his career, in regards to the other greats in the past 30 years? Top 10, Top 20, Top 50, etc?
Personally, while I think he was definitely a big piece of the later years of Attitude era, I wouldn't rank him all that high. He may have been the champion for most of that time, but I never saw him as being better than the likes of Undertaker, The Rock or Stone Cold.
For me he'd make top 30. Maybe top 20. He's probably on the third tier of stardom for sure. Second tier at most but even that is questionable. If the second tier is guys like Randy Savage, Sting, Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, etc. then Triple H isn't quite on their level. When Sting was the man in WCW there was no doubt. He wasn't 1b or 1c. He was the face of the company. And when Sting was the top face in 96 and 97 he was the face of the most sucessful wrestling company in America when they were taking it to WWF.
Randy Savage was the legit number 2 man in WWF at varios points. And he was very sucessful at it without politicking. I'd say more sucessful than Triple H when you take that into account. And when he did briefly become the number one guy when Hogan wasn't around he kept business strong. He kept it stronger than when Triple H became the de facto top star once Rock and Austin's careers as full timers wound down.
Savage made a bigger mainstream name for himself than Triple H ever did. He's more recognizable to non fans and people in general.
The thing with Triple H is that for most of his career his greatness almost always came by association. He never really did as much to launch himself on his own. He hooked on to others, played the political game, and went for opportunities when they presented themselves.
He got with The Kliq, a talented group with a lot of behind the scenes stroke. He paired with the superior Shawn Michaels in DX. He always made sure he rubbed shoulders with Rock and Austin. He made sure he went over Foley who was far more honestly beloved by the fans.
He paired with Stephanie McMahon. McMahons always put themseles in or near the spotlight. He married Stephanie McMahon. Being married to head of creative has its perks and there was no way Vince was ever going to let his son in law and father of his grandchildren look like anything less than what a Mcmahon "should be."
He paired with Ric Flair then eventually did the Evolution run so he could play Horsemen.
Don't get me wrong there have been times where Triple H was the best heel around and he earned his spot but most of his time at the top and his accomplisments are questionable. He was never the kind of catalyst for sucess in this busuness the way Hogan or Austin were. He was never really a guy who could get over only on his own talent the way the Rock did. He never had the heart and true respect to beat the odds that were stacked againt him the way Foley did. He's never been the all around great performer that Shawn Michaels or Ric Flair were. He's never been as consistantly good as Bret Hart nor had to carry the company while it was facing the kind of fierce competition Bret and WWF were.
Originally Posted by AntMan
I'd say even Foley was more over than Triple H. I respect Triple H but he's just a guy that wasn't as big as those guys.
Agreed. Foley has the fans genuine respect and they know he put his body on the line in ways Triple H has never even came close to. He was far more unique as a performer and because he was more giving it created a good kind of uncertainty with his matches. He was more innovative than Triple H. Foley has his inspirations but its harder to see them. With Triple H its easy to see what he picked up from which wrestlers.
Foley also had a unique ability to take anyone he worked with and bring out a different side of them thus making them better. He did it with Sting, Michaels, Triple H, Undertaker, Edge, Randy Orton, and more. Its just a shame his body gave out because there are a few guys I'd have loved to have seen him work with more. Foley and Angle at their peaks would have been something. What could Foley have done with Brock Lesnar? With Randy Savage? There are lots more. When you long for so many dream matches an scenarios like that and never run out it's a sign of greatness.
With Triple H his track record of making the guys he's in there with look better is spotty at best.
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